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Return of the 442?
Topic Started: Aug 22 2013, 04:43 AM (7,429 Views)
ZeeZoo
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AntMcfc
Aug 22 2013, 03:52 PM
ZeeZoo
Aug 22 2013, 03:43 PM
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Aug 22 2013, 03:40 PM
It's not the same formation, it's a variant.
If it's a variant what the fuck is the point of this thread? Then by that 4222 and 4411 are variants and then by Mert's definition the 442 "and its variants" has never gone out of date thus rendering this thread void right from the off.
To discuss whether there's early signs of a shift in emphasis from 4231 (one striker system) to 442 (two striker system). He wasn't even making the statement, just trying to provoke debate, which inadvertently he has done.
Shift? Why would there be a shift if 4222/4411 (two striker system) haven't gone anywhere unlike the 442? He's provoked debate for a completely irrelevant reason.
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No-one asked you for your verdict mate, neither did they ask you to make up definitions.
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Aug 22 2013, 04:02 PM
No-one asked you for your verdict mate, neither did they ask you to make up definitions.
Scholes asked you for your verdict, not a pile of bullshit. And made up definitions? No, it's called understanding the language.

"Uni drop-out" having to explain simple language usage to a wannabe/future journalist. An editor, you're gonna be heavily relying on one.
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Return of the 442 = Return of the two striker system = Return of 442/4411/4222 (clumping them together) = Clubs suddenly adopting those formations.

He's wrong on all 4 points. Simple stuff, man.
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I'd like to apologise for my behaviour on this thread. I had no right to dish out such ownage on here, I don't know what came over me, possibly the ownage machine c. ZZ '11.

You lads didn't deserve such twatting, sorry.
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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Greatest ownage machine: Scholes. Absolute animal when he was a regular poster, I always knew I was in the right when he was backing me up, and I couldn't wait to read a topic that he was posting in because I knew he'd be tearing someone apart
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If the wet dream does occur and somehow we manage to bring Benzema & Di Maria to Arsenal, I'd like to see us try a 4-4-2 with Walcott & Benzema up top. Di Maria on the right, Cazorla on the left.
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Yeah thought about that myself. Ramsey and Wilshere would have a difficult task if it happened.
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Don't see it being any more difficult than them playing in a double pivot together.
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It's fair to say having an AM will help more defensively than two clear forwards. Di Maria adds shit loads more defensive balance than Walcott though.
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Difference between the way Athleti and Real Madrid play 442 is quite amazing. Atletico are far more organized and there are a lot more 'automatisms' whereas as Real Madrid are lacking organization and players don't know where to run. Ronaldo is out of his depth as a central striker.

433 isn't much of a solution either when you consider that Ronaldo and Bale play more or less the same way, ie, cutting in and shooting and not very useful in the build up.
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Fantastic article:
http://thinkfootball.co.uk/archives/12364

Shame he didn't discuss two teams who don't do a good job using 442, Real Madrid and Man United. Both changed to 433 in the Champions League this week.
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When talking about top coaches you always hear the same names, José Mourinho, Pep Guardiola, Arséne Wenger, but it is now time that we talk about Diego Simeone in the same breath?

Passion and love for the game was never an issue for Cholo, and with Atleti he has somewhere that loves him as much as he loves. That combined with passion and intelligence on the touchline, Simeone can be seen somewhat as an unconventional, but successful coach.

In an age where the 4-4-2 is being phased out by the 4-2-3-1 (or whichever variation of that you want to choose) ‘El Cholo’ is a man who sees the importance of two strikers. Now two strikers are slowly being phased out due to the importance of a midfield battle, but by picking a certain type, the right type, of central midfielder, Simeone has two men playing the role that other teams have three men doing, in turn, allowing that extra man up top.

It’s not just his two strikers that makes Simeone stand out from the crowd, it’s other modifications on his formation. For example he doesn’t play with conventional wide men. Where at Real Madrid you may have Ronaldo one side and Di Maria the other, Atleti will have Koke and Arda either side, meaning the side can sometimes lack width, but it doesn’t become an issue due to the willing full backs. Meaning the two man midfield, which may be seen as weak, has reinforcements from ahead.

‘El Cholo’ also enforces a hard, pressing game. He doesn’t allow opponents to get comfortable or set on the ball. Players hunt, press and work as a team defending from the front, a thing the whole team has to buy into. And it’s the managers job to get the team to do so.

On top of some extremely good scouting and judgement, he has the team playing for him, and the praise he is currently receiving at the moment is fully deserved.

His passion on the sideline will go right down to the training ground, and when goals like Tiago’s goal against Almería or Arda’s winner in Porto you can see how much plans and training ground means to him, and he isn’t afraid to implement these things, and you can argue his bravery is being rewarded by the footballing gods.

His passion may be evident, and exuberant celebrations aren’t rare, but he doesn’t let emotion get the better of him. Not one for calling out referee’s after a defeat, or blowing ambitions or the teams potential out the water, he does a great job keeping his players feet on the ground, and in turn he gets players who want to play for him.

But where does he rank among the games top coaches? Well on an argument of money spent to trophies won, he dwarfs the likes of Mourinho and Guardiola. But even beyond Spanish shores he impresses.

The 2012 UEFA Super Cup saw Atleti trounce Champions League winners Chelsea 4-1 in Monaco. The Chelsea squad costs in excess of €200m to assemble, Atleti’s cost less than half of that. With figures like this it’s hard to argue against a world class manager.

There is also the trophy argument. Forgetting budgets, Cholo has won three major trophies in two years with Atleti, José Mourinho managed three trophies in three years at Real. If Atleti were to pick more silverware up this year, who could argue that Simeone wouldn’t be on a par with Mourinho?

At just 43 who would argue that Simeone doesn’t have everything in his favour to carry on and become one of the clubs greats? As long as he keeps that fire in his belly, and manages his situation, Diego Simeone could go down as one of Atlético de Madrid’s greatest ever coaches.
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He already is one of their all time great coaches.
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Both teams in the CL Final lining up in 442. ZZ is such a tactics noob. Sit down, shut up, and #AskWrighty mate.
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