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FFP Breakdown by Accountant/Football Fan
Topic Started: Feb 21 2013, 02:26 PM (20,296 Views)
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Yep, don't understand your hysterics too, it's greasy, cheating latinos like Barca and Madrid coupled with Arab scum like PSG and Man City that are fucking proper, self-sufficient clubs like Arsenal/Bayern/United/Liverpool over.
Edited by ZeeZoo, Jan 28 2014, 06:56 PM.
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"The Woolwich Suite at Arsenal’s Emirates Stadium almost doubles as a museum of football as well as a lucrative area for corporate hospitality. Quotes from great players of the past, all the way from Alex James and Cliff Bastin to Dennis Bergkamp and Patrick Vieira, adorn the walls alongside various club mottos. ‘Victory through harmony’ and ‘Forward’ are among the most visible. Yet it is backwards in time that you really must step to fully understand why Monday's gathering in the Woolwich Suite was such a significant moment.

A full decade has now passed not just since the legendary ‘Invincibles’ team of 2003-4 but also a series of boardroom decisions which might ultimately prove even more significant in Arsenal’s history. At the same time as overseeing an unbeaten Premier League season, Arsene Wenger was instrumental in the final planning for a period more than 10 years into the future when Arsenal would aim to reposition themselves for a generation of success. It was always accepted that the club must wait until 2014 for the full realisation of this strategy and this was brought into sharp focus on Monday by the confirmation of the most lucrative kit deal in British football and a new contract that will take Wenger past 20 years at the club.

Back in 2000, when the club bought an industrial and waste disposal estate in Ashburton Grove, the logic was simple. Arsenal’s Highbury home might have oozed history and character but it simply did not generate the incomes that would sustain the club in the same elite league as Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Manchester United and Barcelona.

A new stadium was conceived and, although there would be the immediate benefit of additional matchday revenue upon opening the Emirates in 2006, loans of £260 million had to be paid back. A serious restriction on the club’s commercial income has also been absorbed. This is because Arsenal had accepted a series of unusually long-term deals for their main commercial revenue streams from kit manufacturer Nike and shirt sponsor Emirates. These deals might have seemed enticing in the early 2000s – and were necessary to secure the funding for a stadium that eventually cost £390 million – but have subsequently fallen well behind their main competitors.

It is why 2014 has long been regarded as some sort of Promised Land in the corridors of the Emirates. The old commercial deals will elapse this summer, Arsenal have been free to negotiate a series of new partnerships and their three main revenue streams – matchday, broadcast and commercial - can all now be fully maximised going forward.

In short, this summer was always going to be the moment when the years of relative ration and harvest would finally be rewarded. Back around 2000, when this vision was being formed, the wider landscape in 2014 could only be guessed at. But if you had told Wenger then that Liverpool, Everton and Tottenham would still be nowhere near sorting their own stadium issues, he would have been entitled to suppose that Arsenal and Manchester United’s dominance would be assured.

Manchester City and Chelsea, with close to £1 billion of benefactor investment apiece, have fundamentally altered the picture but Arsenal still now find themselves in an envious position compared to most of their competitors.

On its own, the £150 million five-year Puma deal provides between £22 million and £26 million of extra money each and every year. The new Emirates shirt sponsorship deal does roughly the same. Together with other smaller commercial partnerships, the difference in the club’s commercial income next year compared with last year will be around £70 million. And the important point to remember is that this is not some sort of one-off payment but a yearly change that will be fully available for transfer fees and wages each and every year. It means that, from 2014-15, Arsenal will become one of the select few clubs in Europe to generate more than £300 million a year.

There is considerable internal pride at this achievement and it was not hard to read between the lines when Ivan Gazidis, the chief executive, addressed the media. "I think it is a validation of the things we are doing right,” he said. “Our club has walked an independent path, standing on our own two feet, and thinking long term about that progression.” He went on to specifically add that Arsenal had got to where they are “without state funding or the help of a benefactor” but through the work of people who “love” the club. “When we do achieve success it will be incredibly meaningful to everyone on this journey,” said Gazidis.

There are still some thorns in this emerging garden of roses. In theory, Arsenal should be ideally placed to benefit from Uefa’s new Financial Fair-Play regulations and the ‘break even’ principle that clubs should not spend more than they naturally earn. In practice, Deloitte’s new league table of the biggest earners in football very clearly signalled how Manchester City and Paris St Germain will seek to underpin their vast spending with sponsorship deals that would appear to have a close connection to their respective owners. City have gone from generating £18 million in commercial income in 2008-9 to £166.9 million in 2012-13. This is already well ahead of more historically famous and successful clubs, such as Arsenal and Liverpool, and only marginally behind Manchester United, Real Madrid and Barcelona. PSG have gone even further and now outstrip every club in world football for sponsorship revenue. These deals will be evaluated for ‘fair value’ by Uefa and, during lunch this week with Michel Platini, it can be safely assumed that Gazidis was clearly outlining his “healthy sceptics” view of FFP.

Yet even if that battle is lost, the wider narrative is clear. Arsenal’s patience and long-term planning – qualities not readily associated with modern football - are now beginning to reap their reward. Most significant of all was the confirmation that Wenger will sign a new contract that is likely to run until the end of the 2016-17 season. This was not so certain even five months ago when Arsenal were losing on the opening day of the season to Aston Villa and Wenger was being disrespectfully told by some fans that “you don’t know what you’re doing”.

Having been the principal architect of Arsenal’s vision – and also the human shield for all the frustration over the club’s lack of trophies amid regular top four finishes since 2005 – he has earned the chance to lead the club into this new phase. And what happens next, now that Wenger has the opportunity to regularly supplement the development of young players with expensive proven talent like Mesut Ozil, will decide his final standing in the pantheon of British football’s most influential managers."



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/10601900/Arsenal-have-reached-their-Promised-Land-Why-2014-is-such-a-big-year-for-Arsene-Wenger-and-the-Gunners.html


Arsene Wenger carrying Arsenal FC since '05.
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Good read. Damn these billionaire owners.
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Nothing wrong with any of our sponsorship deals.
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Jan 28 2014, 07:05 PM
Nothing wrong with any of our sponsorship deals.
Lmao. Granted, not as scummy as PSG as City are making an effort, through their youth system and tapering down on their purchases, to reduce their scumminess as have Chelsea BUT:-

Man City - £40M a year for stadium rights and shirt sponsorship
Arsenal - £30M a year for stadium rights and shirt sponsorship.

Lol.
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The more you read around Arsenal's transition the past 10 years and their philosophy and what they've had to go through the more you realise how immense a job Arsene has done and how his achievement of ensuring CL knock-out year after year whilst hanging on to 4th year after year.

Hope the lad stays on for at least 5 years and bags at least 2 PL titles and a CL title. I think he will, truly do think that if he sees through this 5 years as well as he has done the past 10 then he'll bag PL titles and at least 1 CL title. I think he's one of the greats of all time, don't see him up there with Sacchi/Michels but he's in the same category as Ferguson/Hitzfeld/Mourinho.
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Gazidis: “without state funding or the help of a benefactor”

Lmfao, what a crack at Bayern and the scummy Qataris.

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Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool could use UEFA small print to challenge Manchester City’s right to play in the Champions League next season.
The rules now effectively set up a scenario where rivals can claim City have cheated their way to passing UEFA’s ‘Financial Fair Play’ (FFP) test.
It is understood lawyers for a host of ‘major clubs’ are aware of these potential rights to make appeals — thanks to recently amended Financial Fair Play (FFP) regulations — and are monitoring the situation closely.


On Saturday night Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho, who faces City on Monday in the game of the season so far, accused some unnamed clubs of ‘dodgy FFP’.
He said: ‘There are clubs that are following exactly the project of Financial Fair Play and there are other clubs doing it in a dodgy way. For me, that is very clear. I don’t say the clubs — that is not my job.’
When asked specifically about City, and a potential UEFA investigation, he added: ‘It’s for Mr Platini and other people to analyse it, it’s not for me… I’m waiting for that.’


FFP rules compel clubs to limit losses for the 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons combined to £37million, with a ban from European competitions the severest theoretical punishment. City last week announced losses for 2012-13 of £51.6m, meaning they have lost £149.5m over two years.
They can perhaps ‘exempt’ as much as £110m of those losses to meet FFP requirements. But they face accusations their losses are artificially low after earning cash from ‘intellectual property’ sales to related companies. UEFA sources have confirmed this will be investigated to see if it is ‘real’ income.
Amended small print in the 2014 UEFA FFP rulebook, just published, includes two key changes; one allowing clubs to ‘plea bargain’ punishments for overspending, and another that allows other clubs to challenge those plea bargains if they feel the outcomes negatively affect them.

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Nothing wrong with our finances. Unlucks.
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ZeeZoo
Jan 28 2014, 07:09 PM
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Jan 28 2014, 07:05 PM
Nothing wrong with any of our sponsorship deals.
Lmao. Granted, not as scummy as PSG as City are making an effort, through their youth system and tapering down on their purchases, to reduce their scumminess as have Chelsea BUT:-

Man City - £40M a year for stadium rights and shirt sponsorship
Arsenal - £30M a year for stadium rights and shirt sponsorship.

Lol.
Cheapest Season Ticket Prices:

Arsenal - £985
Man City - £299

Might be financed corruptly but at least they're not fucking their fans over.
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Yup Arsenal are a disgrace when it comes to ticket pricing, scum
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Feb 2 2014, 10:06 AM
ZeeZoo
Jan 28 2014, 07:09 PM
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Jan 28 2014, 07:05 PM
Nothing wrong with any of our sponsorship deals.
Lmao. Granted, not as scummy as PSG as City are making an effort, through their youth system and tapering down on their purchases, to reduce their scumminess as have Chelsea BUT:-

Man City - £40M a year for stadium rights and shirt sponsorship
Arsenal - £30M a year for stadium rights and shirt sponsorship.

Lol.
Cheapest Season Ticket Prices:

Arsenal - £985
Man City - £299

Might be financed corruptly but at least they're not fucking their fans over.
Utter shit comment.

Supply and demand, simple economics. Arsenal has a waiting list of 40-60,000ish whereas I highly doubt City even have a waiting list ffs.

Not to mention Arsenal's season ticket inc. food/drinks which would cost an extra £10 a game x 19 = £200. Not to mention the Emirates is in London hence season tickets reflecting the discrepancy in wages/salaries due to the North/South divide. Not to mention Arsenal are a self-sufficient club hence are heavily dependent on "internal" sources of revenue as opposed to being funded by oil money.

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Nothing wrong with our finances. Unlucks.
UEFA are corrupt, FIFA are corrupt the Italian teams are corrupt, the French are wankers, the Arabs are dicks and the latinos in Spain? Slimey fucks.

It really is a disgusting state of affairs, only England & Germany can hold their heads up high and even then the Germans are probably doping a la E.Germany.
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Feb 2 2014, 02:33 PM
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Jan 28 2014, 07:09 PM

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Cheapest Season Ticket Prices:

Arsenal - £985
Man City - £299

Might be financed corruptly but at least they're not fucking their fans over.
Utter shit comment.

Supply and demand, simple economics. Arsenal has a waiting list of 40-60,000ish whereas I highly doubt City even have a waiting list ffs.

Not to mention Arsenal's season ticket inc. food/drinks which would cost an extra £10 a game x 19 = £200. Not to mention the Emirates is in London hence season tickets reflecting the discrepancy in wages/salaries due to the North/South divide. Not to mention Arsenal are a self-sufficient club hence are heavily dependent on "internal" sources of revenue as opposed to being funded by oil money.

Moronical.
We've got a 20,000 waiting list for season tickets.
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Still x3 greater demand for Arsenal.


AND FOR FUCK'S SAKE, Arsenal's season ticket includes 7 cup matches. So 7 x £40 = Essentially £300.

So 26 games x £10 food/drinks = £250 AND 7 x £40 cup games = £300. £250+£300 = £550.

£985 - £550 = £435. Difference of about £100-150 so considering Arsenal are in London, have a far greater demand and have a far greater need to push the prices up I'd say that is on par with City.

Bellends.
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