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| Are Man United now a one man team like Arsenal were last season?; RVP dependency | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 24 2012, 04:52 PM (2,371 Views) | |
| Homer | Sep 24 2012, 04:52 PM Post #1 |
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![]() Much was made of Arsenal's over-reliance on Robin Van Persie last season, but now that the Dutchman has moved on to Man United, has RVP-dependency moved with him? look at the numbers that suggest they are in danger of becoming a one man team, while Arsenal seem to have benefited from his departure... Arsene knows best? With the 30 league goals that earned him the 2011/12 Premier League Golden Boot, Robin van Persie was more often than not the difference between points won and lost for Arsenal, so Arsenal fans' outrage when he was offloaded to Man United was understandable. Yet following his departure, the Gunners now arguably play more as a team, with no less than five different goalscorers so far this season and the potential for even more once Olivier Giroud gets off the mark. It could be suggested that Arsenal were forced to become a one man team in order to get the best out of the striker, with the players behind the Dutchman opting to get the ball to him as quickly as possible rather than using all of the options available to them. Big game choker? Compare Van Persie's club form last season to his Euro 2012 display in June with the Netherlands and there's a stark contrast, so do his struggles with the national team show an inability to produce on the big stage? One goal in the tournament was a poor return for a striker who finished with 30 league goals just a month earlier, and one goal in seven games at the 2010 World Cup was not any better. Van Persie's inability to perform with the Dutch side also points to the need for teams to play through him in order to reap the rewards, which the Oranje can't afford to do when they have equally capable players like Wesley Sneijder and Arjen Robben in their ranks. Man United's approach The Dutchman's record at Man United so far suggests that the Red Devils are opting for Arsenal's approach to Van Persie rather than the Dutch one and though that may seem like an obvious decision given his tally with the Gunners compared to his national team haul, there's a danger United could be caught out against better sides. The club currently sit in second place with 12 points and 12 Premier League goals scored and five in five league for Van Persie has more than helped their cause. If thoses were taken away, though, it would be a different story. Wins by a single goal over Liverpool and Fulham would have been draws, while a 3-2 victory over Southampton courtesy of an RVP hat-trick would have seen Fergie's side suffer a lousy loss. United would be sitting on five points and languishing in mid-table, while there's also the issue of what relying so heavily on a new signing can do to team morale. Alex Ferguson's assertion that Van Persie should have taken the penalty Nani missed against Galatasaray in the Champions League will hardly have helped the Portuguese player's confidence, for example. So does the above suggest the Red Devils have already fallen into the same trap as Arsenal last season, becoming RVP reliant at the expense of the team? It's still early in the season, but what is clear is that a major injury to the Dutchman could put United in real trouble, particularly with no Wayne Rooney to bail them out, and an injury isn't unforeseeable given Van Persie's injury record. United fans should ask themselves the question: has their team really became a better team with Van Persie, and have Arsenal really looked worse off without him? Are Manchester United in danger of becoming too reliant on Robin, or are the goals and points he brings all that matter? |
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| desert swordz | Sep 24 2012, 04:59 PM Post #2 |
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i can see the point, but i really don't like the argument. i'm sure that, with most teams, if you take away all of the goals of their best goalscorer, you would find those teams fighting somewhere mid-table. |
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| Homer | Oct 2 2012, 11:10 PM Post #3 |
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When Van Persie doesn't score United struggle |
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| Scholes | Oct 2 2012, 11:12 PM Post #4 |
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Nothing's as it seems
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Oh shut up. All the gear, no idea. |
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| Homer | Oct 2 2012, 11:14 PM Post #5 |
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Southampton,Liverpool, Fulham, Cluj............without Robin those wins would have been draws or defeats |
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| Homer | Oct 3 2012, 03:59 AM Post #6 |
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Robin van Persie has scored nearly 35% of Man United's goals this season and they would be 16th without his goals. One man team. |
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| AntMcfc | Oct 3 2012, 07:52 AM Post #7 |
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POTY
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Lollllll |
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| Scholes | Oct 3 2012, 05:34 PM Post #8 |
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You're such a simplistic guy. |
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| Homer | Oct 3 2012, 09:03 PM Post #9 |
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That's rich coming from you........ |
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| diego | Oct 3 2012, 09:57 PM Post #10 |
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maradona-footballing genius
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would arsenal now be playing in the championship without his goals last season, would they have gone down years ago without henrys goals, the ifs and the buts
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| Homer | Nov 30 2012, 04:27 PM Post #11 |
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| ManYou | Nov 30 2012, 04:32 PM Post #12 |
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Don't we have more goalscorers than any other team in the league? |
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| Homer | Nov 30 2012, 04:37 PM Post #13 |
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You have plenty of goalscorers but there is a difference between winning 4-0 and 1-0 and really only Hernandez looks like he can do something Van Persie has already scored so many critical decisive goals infact all of his goals have made the difference the amount of points he has won for United is just staggering. There are some players who score a few when their side is already winning by a large margain but Van Persie has just transformed Man Utd from a 2nd or 3rd place team into proper title winners.
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| DaG | Nov 30 2012, 04:41 PM Post #14 |
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If Rooney played #9 for United and they didn't have RVP he'd score pretty much the same amount of goals.
Edited by DaG, Nov 30 2012, 04:41 PM.
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| ManYou | Nov 30 2012, 04:49 PM Post #15 |
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Well that's what star strikers do, win games for their team. Plenty of sides have that player that if his contribution was taken away, they'd be considerably worse off. They're called world class players, match-winners. Last season it was Rooney, I'm sure everyone was saying how we were a one-man team then as well. Van Persie has simply taken over the main goalscorer position, but we still have Rooney and he's contributing well, maybe not in terms of goals but that's not everything.. so we're at least a two-man team. We were already serious title challengers, we finished on 89 fucking points last season, but van Persie has given us an extra edge, we are not a 2nd/3rd place side. Arsenal don't have one of these players and that's the difference between a comfortable top 4 side and one who will have to be on their game to qualify for next season's CL.. |
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Van Persie has already scored so many critical decisive goals infact all of his goals have made the difference the amount of points he has won for United is just staggering. There are some players who score a few when their side is already winning by a large margain but Van Persie has just transformed Man Utd from a 2nd or 3rd place team into proper title winners.


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