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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 26 2011, 02:28 AM (243 Views) | |
| AntMcfc | Feb 26 2011, 02:28 AM Post #1 |
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NEXT SEASON GERMANY WILL HAVE 4 CHAMPIONS LEAGUE SPOTS WOWWWWWWWWWW THIS IS MASSIVE ITALY HAS LOST ITS 4TH SPOT UNLESS ROMA INTER AND MILAN ALL GO THROUGH TO THE NEXT ROUND WHICH THEY WON'T AS ROMA ARE FUCKED![]() WOWWWWWWWWWWWW DIE BUNDESSSSSLIGGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
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| elcule | Feb 26 2011, 02:51 AM Post #2 |
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Lol more shit Serie 'A' but well done ze Germans |
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| AntMcfc | Feb 26 2011, 02:57 AM Post #3 |
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Bundesliga sides have been doing superbly well in Europe over the last few years. |
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| ManYou | Feb 26 2011, 03:15 AM Post #4 |
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Not sure about this one. I like Bundesliga and I'm happy to see them get another place but is really deserved? Apart from Bayern last year, when was the last time anyone seen a German club in the semi-finals? Excluding Bayern, over the last, what, 15 years I remember Dortmund (97 and 98 I think) and then Leverkusen in 2002, since then, nothing.. Since then, THREE Italian winners of the competition, Milan twice and Inter, the current champs who should have secured the 4th CL spot for Italy, I mean the Italian clubs had gone through their most fruitless run up until last season, if the Germans weren't worthy of that spot then, I really can't see how they are now. Finally German football is good but the quality of teams I'm not so sure about. No questions about Bayern, Germany's top club, last year's finalists, Werder Bremen had been looking the next best side but they've really flopped this season, domestically and in Europe. Schalke, Wolfsburg, Leverkusen, Hertha Berlin... are these even capable of reaching a quarter-final or are they destined for the Europa League anyways? |
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| ManYou | Feb 26 2011, 03:30 AM Post #5 |
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They've had more recent succes in the Europa League but that's hardly a shocker considering two of the three clubs that do manage to get to the group stage are sent crashing out before the knockout stages, you'll see one of them in the quarter-finals if you're lucky. Maybe that CL qualification match between Werder Bremen and Sampdoria was the turning point! If Frings hadn't have scored that stoppage time goal, Germany would have absolutely no case for taking that spot from Italy. |
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| AntMcfc | Feb 26 2011, 03:51 AM Post #6 |
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It's more the Europa League that they've succeeded in, 2 quarter finalists in each of the last 3 seasons, Werder in the UC final after an all German semi. Then there's Bayern in the CL final, a team who generally make at least the QFs every season, something which the likes of Inter and Roma can't boast. It's a consistent league, always performing and making the latter stages, they've pounced on Serie A's downfall. |
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| ManYou | Feb 26 2011, 04:17 AM Post #7 |
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Still seems a bit strange to me. Last six CL seasons @ quarter-final stage. 2004/05 - Germany 1 - Italy 3 2005/06 - Germany 0 - Italy 3 2006/07 - Germany 1 - Italy 2 2007/08 - Germany 1 - Italy 1 2008/09 - Germany 1 - Italy 0 2009/10 - Germany 1 - Italy 1 Italy still come out on top, they've had two champions in that time and while German clubs have a better record in the Europa league, as I said they're in there because they were proved to be not up to the standard of the CL, failing to get out of the groups. Even with German clubs recent success in that competition (an all German semi-final) it shouldn't really compare with Italian clubs' overall record in both competitions. The Europa League performance shouldn't really be the defining factor on how many CL clubs any given nation has but obviously the ranking is based on both those UEFA comps, even still, a CL run should acquire more points that a Europa League run. The most important thing however is the fact that it's this season they've overtaken and in the last year German clubs haven't really outdone their Italian counterparts. I just fail to see the logic behind this. |
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| ManYou | Feb 26 2011, 04:19 AM Post #8 |
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I think after 2/3 seasons when four German clubs still haven't made the group stage, it'll be changed back, and rightly so. |
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| ManYou | Feb 26 2011, 04:23 AM Post #9 |
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Actually I think that ranking system is like a year behind or something. So the performances of both nation's clubs in 2008/09 is what's seen this come about. The one season in the last 6 where no Italian clubs made the quarters and 1 German club did, there was also that all German semi in the Europa League/UEFA Cup. That must be the reason, and if it is, the Italians should have their place back the season after as they produced the winner of the CL. |
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| AntMcfc | Feb 26 2011, 05:08 AM Post #10 |
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When determining how many places are given to a league, surely the Europa League is a good indicator of which league should get the 4th place. If Germany's 4th and 5th placed team are constantly winning their Europa League games, does it not suggest that they should be playing at a higher level? When Italy's 4th and 5th placed teams fail miserably in both competitions every season, does it not suggest they should be playing at a lower level? The stronger the league as a whole, the more CL places should be given. The Bundesliga has become a stronger league in terms of depth than Serie A has, because of this, the coefficient determines that the stronger teams should be given more of a chance to play at a higher level, hence giving more places to the stronger league. If the Bundesliga side fails to succeed when given the chance, they'll find themselves slipping down the coefficient again. |
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| ManYou | Feb 26 2011, 06:04 AM Post #11 |
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Yeah, Germany tends to have more or less the same 5/6 clubs in Europe every year, while Italy has a few more sides like Chievo, Palermo etc who are only there for a season and back out. And even though the top 3 clubs in Italy are without doubt stronger and more capable in CL because of regular showings, it's the same thing situation with German clubs but on a broader scale showing a stronger pool of European qualifiers. I still think the Italian clubs would make more of their 4 CL places but as you say it's up to the Germans to show they deserve it. |
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| paddypower | Feb 26 2011, 08:55 AM Post #12 |
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I remember a certain series of results last year would have seen this happen for this season. |
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| diego | Feb 26 2011, 10:09 AM Post #13 |
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maradona-footballing genius
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from a fans perspective, i'd rather see united against inter/ac/juventus/roma/napoli etc than wolfsburg etc any day |
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| DaG | Feb 26 2011, 02:02 PM Post #14 |
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The quality of the CL decreasing is good news? |
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| AntMcfc | Feb 27 2011, 01:22 AM Post #15 |
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How The Bundesliga Earned An Extra Champions League Place At The Expense Of Serie A A decade of policy has paid off for Germany... "After 11 years, the Bundesliga has secured a fourth Champions League berth again from 2012-13 on. As a result of this week's results in Europe, with Bayern Munich and Bayer Leverkusen both winning, while Napoli were eliminated, Germany further extended its lead on Italy in the UEFA co-efficients ranking to secure third spot in the ranking behind England and Spain. "The German clubs have now accumulated 68,103 points and have extended their lead on Serie A (59,981) to 8,122 points. Italy are consequently no longer able to take over third spot this season. "By securing third spot in the UEFA ranking, the Bundesliga will get three places in the Champions League group phase from 2012-13 on, while the fourth German representative starts in the play-offs of the competition." The above is a statement issued this morning by the German Football League (DFL). It confirms what has been known informally for quite a while. Italy's Serie A takes a step back into the shadows while the German Bundesliga wins the entitlement to compete with four of its teams in the Champions League from the beginning of the 2012-13 season. Italy can send only three. The usurpation of Italian teams at the hands of the Germans has provoked fiery debate and created a league versus league rivalry among followers. It is one which centres on the relevance, or lack thereof, of the Europa League. The German strength of the collective has been lauded; sending as many as five teams to the UEFA Cup proper during the process of accumulation has paid off for the Bundesliga. The refusal, or inability, of Serie A sides to compete in the Champions League's sister competition over the past few seasons on the other hand has cost them dearly. Napoli's exit to Villarreal bore all the hallmarks of a typical Italian performance in Europe. The Partenopei have a top of the table clash with Milan on the horizon and, accordingly, adjusted their line-up with that in mind. Out went Christian Maggio, Edinson Cavani and Paolo Cannavaro. Their replacements in the starting XI could not quell the Yellow Submarine. There you have it. A microcosm of Italy's travails. In a nutshell, Italian sides continue to prioritise domestic progress over continental. It may seem a harsh price to pay for Calcio but the rules are the same for everybody. Three Italian sides exited the Europa League at the group stage this season, Juventus, Palermo and Sampdoria, with scarcely a whimper. The latter failed to pull their weight in the Champions League too. It is one thing being able to ignore the spoils offered in the second tier of European competition if the top-ranked clubs are doing the business in the Champions League. And for Italy, they currently are not. All three remaining representatives lost their home ties in the knockout phase. Schalke claimed a creditable draw at Valencia while Inter, the defending Italian and European champions submitted to Bayern Munich at San Siro. But by then the damage had been done long before that showdown. Germany has been without a fourth representative in the Champions League for over a decade. The mid-to-late 90s was a fruitful period for the Bundesliga but the structure proved unsustainable. The debacle that was Euro 2000 provoked wholesale changes for the DFB and DFL. Priority was given to the nurturing of organic talent. Clubs had to prove themselves financially. It took a long time for German clubs to bounce back from the self-imposed constraints - a period in the continental doldrums at the start of the last decade pays testament to this. But the league is now reaping the rewards. Contrast the slow but steady progress made in Germany with the decrepitude that has crept into the game in Italy. There is a lack of introspection within Serie A. Solutions have not been sought to the ills affecting the game there. Indeed in some areas, it has gone backwards. The promotion of young talent remains haphazard while the 'matchday' experience is well below that on offer in other leagues around the continent. UEFA Co-efficent for 2012-13 competitions: League Co-efficient CL EL Total English Premier League 82.928 4 3 7 Spanish Liga 77.329 4 3 7 German Bundesliga 68.103 4 3 7 Italian Serie A 59.981 3 3 6 French Ligue 1 53.511 3 3 6 Italy's next big problem is not competition with Germany for its co-efficent place, it is the projected tussle with France's Ligue 1. At the moment there is less of a gap between Serie A and Ligue 1 than there is between the Bundesliga and Serie A. Italy has no more teams in the Europa League and France can still count on Paris St Germain. Furthermore, France's two Champions League clubs are seemingly better placed to progress to the quarter-finals of that competition. If the trend continues, Calcio will slip back further. After a decade that included the death of a fan, a policeman and Calciopoli the question is, will Italy ever learn? It would do well to turn towards its rival and mimic its policies. The Bundesliga method has been proven correct. UEFA Co-efficient Points Allocation 2 - number of points awarded for a win in either Champions League or Europa League 1 - number of points awarded for a draw in either Champions League or Europa League Points are awarded for extra-time wins but only bonus points are awarded for penalty shoot-out wins Bonus Points 4 - number of points awarded for qualification to the Champions League group stage 5 - number of points awarded for qualification to Champions League second round 1 - number of points awarded for progression to Champions League and Europa League quarter-finals, semi-finals and final Total of points attained by teams is divided by total number of competing teams from any one association |
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