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The Premiership; Business end
Topic Started: Apr 10 2010, 11:40 PM (159 Views)
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CBA to bump the threads made for these, so just decided to make this and throw it all into one thread

The Title Race
Some would now say that Chelsea are champions elect, but Arsenal have come back from the dead twice and Man United are Man United. The task is pretty obvious for the latter 2: Win all your remaining games and hope. For Chelsea, they can afford to drop a couple of points due to there superior GD, so basically if they pick up 4 points from there trips to Anfeild & White Hart Lane they've won the league (The 3 home games they have are so clear-cut that there is no point even entertaining the thought of dropped points for Chelsea)

4th Place
As with Man U & Arsenal, the task is similar with Liverpool & Villa: Win all your remaining games and hope. Tottenham have an extremely tough run in as well, so that makes Man City clear favourites to get the last CL spot, but still, they've dropped silly points this season and can do so again

The Relegation Battle
There's now been a small gap bridged between Hull & Burnley and the other lot, but each year there is always one team that pulls off a great escape. Hull have a game in hand and Burnley will be buzzing afer todays result so Wigan, West Ham & Wolves can't take it easy just yet
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I hope Wigan go down over Hull though, at least Hull fill their ground.
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Winner.

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I feel we will finish 2nd. Even though that's really disappointing in my eyes, its a massive improvement.
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Apr 11 2010, 02:20 PM
I feel we will finish 2nd. Even though that's really disappointing in my eyes, its a massive improvement.
I can understand you feeling dissapointed, considering that at certain points (now included) there has been the potential for your to finish 1st, and I agree that most likely you will finish 2nd. However I also feel that to expect to finish 1st at any stage was unrealistic as Arsenal aren't good enough to do so imo.
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Apr 11 2010, 03:41 PM
However I also feel that to expect to finish 1st at any stage was unrealistic as Arsenal aren't good enough to do so imo.
Its not 'unrealistic' at all as we will finish within 3 points.
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I would definitly consider 2nd to be a dissapointment, frankly i could care less whether we finish 3rd or 2nd right now, another trophyless season is a dissapointment regardl;ess of what spin you put on it, although i still am proud of the players for the character they've shown this season. The title isn't totally over yet though, we need to win at Spurs and Man U need to win at City to stand a chance obviously, I seem to remember Chelsea constantly doing badly against the best sides outside of the title challengers so they could drop 4 or 5 points IMO
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LIVERPOOL DRAW 0-0 AT HOME TO FULHAM, SURELY NO CHANCE FOR THEM NOW
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Nope no chance. We'll finish 6th.
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Liverpool have had a mare. Seven is talking bollocks again. How can you say a team who are 3 points off top after 33 games are not good enough to realistically expect 1st place? That means Liverpool or Spurs aren't good enough to expect 4th, Fulham aren't good enough to expect 9th, West Ham aren't good enough to expect 14th etc.
Edited by Vardy’s Mum, Apr 12 2010, 03:53 PM.
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Apr 11 2010, 04:30 PM
Liverpool have had a mare. Seven is talking bollocks again. How can you say a team who are 3 points off top after 33 games are not good enough to realistically expect 1st place? That means Liverpool or Spurs aren't good enough to expect 4th, Fulham aren't good enough to expect 9th, West Ham aren't good enough to expect 14th etc.
To believe, to challenge to or to win is an entirely different matter to expectation, by which I mean entering into this season. I can't see how you could rationally argue that Arsenal could have 'expected' to win the EPL before 09/10 began. At the beggining would Lyon or Bayern Munich have 'expected' to have been CL winners? No but one of those two teams will be in the final and hence one victory away from victory. My point is, given from the position that Arsenal began the season, and by began I mean before the first EPL match, I can't see that you could argue on expecting Chelsea and Utd under performing to the extent that they have or Arsenal largely over performing to the extent they have?

Arsenal should believe that they can win the league, because they now can, but expect too? Not imo. England should believe that they can win the WC, but not expect too.
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Apr 12 2010, 08:07 PM
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Apr 11 2010, 04:30 PM
Liverpool have had a mare. Seven is talking bollocks again. How can you say a team who are 3 points off top after 33 games are not good enough to realistically expect 1st place? That means Liverpool or Spurs aren't good enough to expect 4th, Fulham aren't good enough to expect 9th, West Ham aren't good enough to expect 14th etc.
To believe, to challenge to or to win is an entirely different matter to expectation, by which I mean entering into this season. I can't see how you could rationally argue that Arsenal could have 'expected' to win the EPL before 09/10 began. At the beggining would Lyon or Bayern Munich have 'expected' to have been CL winners? No but one of those two teams will be in the final and hence one victory away from victory. My point is, given from the position that Arsenal began the season, and by began I mean before the first EPL match, I can't see that you could argue on expecting Chelsea and Utd under performing to the extent that they have or Arsenal largely over performing to the extent they have?

Arsenal should believe that they can win the league, because they now can, but expect too? Not imo. England should believe that they can win the WC, but not expect too.
"However I also feel that to expect to finish 1st at any stage was unrealistic as Arsenal aren't good enough to do so imo."

If we're not good enough then neither are United as we're going to go ahead of you if we win on Wednesday, displaying that we're equally good if not better than you (Based off the United fan theory that results over the period of 38 games don't lie). I suppose i'm not really making a point here actually, because it's become abundantly obvious over the last couple of weeks that United aren't good enough.
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Apr 12 2010, 08:13 PM
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Apr 12 2010, 08:07 PM
trigglebeef
Apr 11 2010, 04:30 PM
Liverpool have had a mare. Seven is talking bollocks again. How can you say a team who are 3 points off top after 33 games are not good enough to realistically expect 1st place? That means Liverpool or Spurs aren't good enough to expect 4th, Fulham aren't good enough to expect 9th, West Ham aren't good enough to expect 14th etc.
To believe, to challenge to or to win is an entirely different matter to expectation, by which I mean entering into this season. I can't see how you could rationally argue that Arsenal could have 'expected' to win the EPL before 09/10 began. At the beggining would Lyon or Bayern Munich have 'expected' to have been CL winners? No but one of those two teams will be in the final and hence one victory away from victory. My point is, given from the position that Arsenal began the season, and by began I mean before the first EPL match, I can't see that you could argue on expecting Chelsea and Utd under performing to the extent that they have or Arsenal largely over performing to the extent they have?

Arsenal should believe that they can win the league, because they now can, but expect too? Not imo. England should believe that they can win the WC, but not expect too.
"However I also feel that to expect to finish 1st at any stage was unrealistic as Arsenal aren't good enough to do so imo."

If we're not good enough then neither are United as we're going to go ahead of you if we win on Wednesday, displaying that we're equally good if not better than you (Based off the United fan theory that results over the period of 38 games don't lie). I suppose i'm not really making a point here actually, because it's become abundantly obvious over the last couple of weeks that United aren't good enough.
Utd are a slightly different matter, beggining the season as the holders after all. Still though at the start of the season I didn't expect us to win, I expected us to challenge. After selling our best player, and replacing him with one I was very scepticle about, I could only really hope because I feared the worst. Seeing as how Arsenal started off in a worse position than Utd I still don't really see how there was a point, other than perhaps a couple of weeks ago when it became clear that you had the kindest run in of the top 3, where they could have expected to win the EPL. Believe yes, expect no. Perhaps I'm just overly pessimistic though.
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Also your correct about the 38 game argument and what it's shown is that Arsenal have been closer to the league title this year more because of a dip in the quality of Utd (especially) and Chelsea this season.
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Not really though, because we've just done shitloads better than last season where we finished on only 72 points. We could end up on 86 points this season, our third highest tally under Wenger. If that happens and we win the league it would be grossly unfair to us to just put it down to Chelsea and United having an "off season".
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