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Guti - court jester or genuine magician?
Topic Started: Feb 1 2010, 08:46 AM (549 Views)
rollingstone
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Real Madrid won 3-1 away to Depor on Saturday, with Karim Benzema scoring twice to add to Granero's earlier strike. Benzema's first and Madrid's second went like this...



Now, I've seen a few journalist's opinions on the matter, all of which seem to be labelling that backheel as a work of absolute genius. Some have even gone so far as to claim it is thus far 'assist of the season'.

What do you guys reckon? Work of genius or an unneccesarily flashy way to score a very important goal? (Or both...)
Edited by rollingstone, Feb 1 2010, 08:47 AM.
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Nothing special. A player like Guti should be expected to know Benzema's whereabouts and he had enough space to pull off a relatively simple back heel into Karim's path.

Whoever called that the assist of the season is completely off their head and it's hugely exaggerated. It's not even good enough to call "genius" FFS. Wow a back heel, in plenty of space, to a player right behind him who like Guti is under no fucking pressure whatsoever. I wouldn't call it unnecessary though because a back heel was the obvious and simplest choice to make there but make no mistake, most players in a top league could do that and do it quite easily at that.
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No, that's pure genius. Amazing awareness and ability to tee it up perfectly for Benzema, whilst remaining descreet enough to leave the GK on his ass and the defence unaware of what he's doing. It was so intelligent too, as the ball was falling onto his right foot he knew the chances of him scoring were falling, so that one touch changed the opportunity from a good one to an unmissable one.
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I can't wait until Rooney does that.
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Better.

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Better? Not sure, but certainly more necessary.
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Lol, the two aren't even comparable. Rooney basically had to backheel that and it was quite clear to everybody that he needed to and would attempt it. Guti was 1v1 with the keeper, and that's what makes it a lot more intelligent than anything you'll see from Rooney.
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Rooney was under more pressure, thr ball was bouncing more aswell so as far as I'm concerned it was more difficult to execute. The awareness was just as good if not better than Guti's too.

The main point I'm trying to make here is that yes Guti's assist was nice but calling it genius is maybe a little over the top, assist of the season, most exaggerated assist of the season more like. We all know that if Rooney had done that, there's not a chance in hell that Ant would even give him credit let alone write three paragraphs about how clever, genius and intelligent it was. This is exactly what bugs me about Ant's opinion of Rooney, he will go on all day about him getting too much praise from the English press but he doesn't ever give the lad credit for some of the wonderful pieces of play he produces. This is mainly down to his hatred of him because when someone else does something similar, he will wank over it bigtime.

Whenever Rooney does something it's either being overrated because of who he is, or the defending was poor, anything to get out of praising him but all those things are never mentioned when Guti walks through a shambolic defence and plays a pass to a practically unmarkewd Benzema, again shocking defending. No, no. it's pure genius.

Pathetic.
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Feb 1 2010, 11:21 AM
Rooney was under more pressure, thr ball was bouncing more aswell so as far as I'm concerned it was more difficult to execute. The awareness was just as good if not better than Guti's too.

The main point I'm trying to make here is that yes Guti's assist was nice but calling it genius is maybe a little over the top, assist of the season, most exaggerated assist of the season more like. We all know that if Rooney had done that, there's not a chance in hell that Ant would even give him credit let alone write three paragraphs about how clever, genius and intelligent it was. This is exactly what bugs me about Ant's opinion of Rooney, he will go on all day about him getting too much praise from the English press but he doesn't ever give the lad credit for some of the wonderful pieces of play he produces. This is mainly down to his hatred of him because when someone else does something similar, he will wank over it bigtime.

Whenever Rooney does something it's either being overrated because of who he is, or the defending was poor, anything to get out of praising him but all those things are never mentioned when Guti walks through a shambolic defence and plays a pass to a practically unmarkewd Benzema, again shocking defending. No, no. it's pure genius.

Pathetic.
And this is what annoys me, Rooney completes a simple backheel and you think it's the second coming, whereas Guti can do something twice as good and you'll think Rooney would actually be capable of it and then blag around sayin Rooney this Rooney that.

I praised Guti's awareness and intelligence, two things that aren't overly evident in Rooney's assist, those are the only two discussion points, so lets stick to that rather than branching out onto your life story.
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OMG OMG OMG MANYOU IS TALKING COMPLETE AND UTTER SHIT. Oh my fucking God this kid has lost his marbles he really has.

I remember Rooney's back hell and it's nothing like it, he had to pass that. Guti had a fucking one on one with the keeper and 99 players out of 100 would not have made that pass I can assure you. Presence of mind, unselfishness, quality, footballing brain, leaving the keeper on the deck and giving Benzema a straight-forward finish. I wouldn't go as far as genius but it's a phenomenal piece of play and no one was expecting that, in contrast to Rooney's. Guti took everyone by surprise and deserves immense credit, that's what I like to see.
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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I haven't watched Rooney's yet but from memory it was more difficult to execute technically, but Guti's is special for brain-related reasons.
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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I never said anything about Rooney's assist being anything really special, did I?

The bottom line is it was a simple back heel, both of them absolutely simple stuff, the sort of thing I do a few times in a game myself, I'd hardly call it intelligence, of course you're gonna back heel it to a player who's behind you. Pretty basic stuff really. Guti did show great awareness but how on earth does Rooney not display good awareness?

Saying things like Rooney is not capable of that is unbelievable really. It's a bloody obvious back heel once you are aware of the player you're passing to, it doesn't require much ability at all, I see 5 year olds do that out on the field. To say Rooney can't do that is sickening.

The difference between both assists and what's required is not that much really. But one is pure genius and the other is simple. You will always belittle what Rooney has done, always, but the tune drastically changes when it's someone else. At least I can give credit where it's due, no matter who the player is. You're views on Rooney are a disgrace Ant, noibody is expecting you to jump on the bandwagon saying he's world class etc. but a little credit wouldn't go amiss. You still call him average FFS and you are very wrong.
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Reminds me of myself to be honest but yeh, magnificent from Guti, as soon as he receives the ball he can paint the picture of what will occur two seconds later, deserves way more credit than Rooney's painfully obvious choice of pass. As I said, it's so rare for players to show that composure and presence of mind when one on one with the keeper.
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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Feb 1 2010, 11:39 AM
I never said anything about Rooney's assist being anything really special, did I?

The bottom line is it was a simple back heel, both of them absolutely simple stuff, the sort of thing I do a few times in a game myself, I'd hardly call it intelligence, of course you're gonna back heel it to a player who's behind you. Pretty basic stuff really. Guti did show great awareness but how on earth does Rooney not display good awareness?

Saying things like Rooney is not capable of that is unbelievable really. It's a bloody obvious back heel once you are aware of the player you're passing to, it doesn't require much ability at all, I see 5 year olds do that out on the field. To say Rooney can't do that is sickening.

The difference between both assists and what's required is not that much really. But one is pure genius and the other is simple. You will always belittle what Rooney has done, always, but the tune drastically changes when it's someone else. At least I can give credit where it's due, no matter who the player is. You're views on Rooney are a disgrace Ant, noibody is expecting you to jump on the bandwagon saying he's world class etc. but a little credit wouldn't go amiss. You still call him average FFS and you are very wrong.
You're making a show of yourself. Rooney IS capable of that, he has good awareness though lacks in composure, and of course he's capable of the technical aspect of a back heel, but the chances are he wouldn't have made that, he'd have gone for goal himself, whereas Guti as soon as Kaka makes the pass has that back heel firmly in mind, three seconds before he executes it, and that's what special footballers do.

I'm not comparing Rooney to Guti, I'm comparing their individual pieces of skill, and Guti's although easier to execute technically is miles better than Rooney's due to the footballing brain he displays.
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ant hasn't slagged off Rooney's assist, he's just said exactly what everyone else is surely thinking with regard to Guti's one.

When talking about awareness, it's just obvious that Guti displayed more. Benzema was practically 180 degrees behind him!
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