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Henry let off by FIFA 'bottlers' after his controversial handball ruined Ireland's World Cup dreams
Topic Started: Jan 19 2010, 03:31 AM (500 Views)
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Jan 19 2010, 03:20 PM
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Jan 19 2010, 03:16 PM
He didn't ruin his reputation for that I disagree with Homer, but he is no longer the saintly player he once was in my eyes. Ruining his reputationis taking it way too far though. I also agree that because he is Thierry Henry that it get blown up a bit more but even so, it's not as if he should be immune from criticism because he's a great player. He cheated, the first handball can be called instinctive but the second cannot be condoned or excused in any way unless you're well and truly deluded, so just like he got loads and loads of praise whenever he done something good, he should have to take a bit of stick when he does something like a blatant handball that ruins a nations dreams.

I just hate it when I see or hear people say "Stop criticising him, this is Theirry Henry we're talking about here". At least Homer can out aside his love for th player and what he done for his club and say what he feels without being severely biased towards him. Some of the people who actually try and defend Henry's actions will have a different outlook when Joe Bloggs does it against their team.
You're praising Homer for putting bias to one side, but you fail to latch onto the fact that he hasn't done so. He's biased towards Ireland, the underdogs, so bias is not eliminated from his posts whatsoever.

He could be as equally biased towards France since he would want to see Sagna, Henry and any other current or former Arsenal players at the World Cup. I doubt he loves any old underdog more than some legend of his club.
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Jan 19 2010, 03:20 PM
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Jan 19 2010, 03:11 PM
MANYOU/Moe - Which crime is worse - Murder or Attempted Murder - let's say the murderer successfully shoots someone from range whilst the attempted murderer misses his target...
Well there's two different things there the actual attempting to murder someone and the result of those actions. Both people attempting those crimes are as bad as the other, just because one can't fucking shoot straight doesn't make him a better person. So is Henry supposed to be the more innocent, attempted murderer? He's not though, he murdered our World Cup chances.
You've hit the nail on the head mate, it doesn't make them a better person. So when Rooney, Drogba and Evra cheat week in week out, they've committed the same crime. That's the only thing that's in their power, the consequences of their actions are not and they can only be criticised based on what they can control, the rest is a roll of the dice.
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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ManYou
Jan 19 2010, 03:23 PM
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Jan 19 2010, 03:20 PM
ManYou
Jan 19 2010, 03:16 PM
He didn't ruin his reputation for that I disagree with Homer, but he is no longer the saintly player he once was in my eyes. Ruining his reputationis taking it way too far though. I also agree that because he is Thierry Henry that it get blown up a bit more but even so, it's not as if he should be immune from criticism because he's a great player. He cheated, the first handball can be called instinctive but the second cannot be condoned or excused in any way unless you're well and truly deluded, so just like he got loads and loads of praise whenever he done something good, he should have to take a bit of stick when he does something like a blatant handball that ruins a nations dreams.

I just hate it when I see or hear people say "Stop criticising him, this is Theirry Henry we're talking about here". At least Homer can out aside his love for th player and what he done for his club and say what he feels without being severely biased towards him. Some of the people who actually try and defend Henry's actions will have a different outlook when Joe Bloggs does it against their team.
You're praising Homer for putting bias to one side, but you fail to latch onto the fact that he hasn't done so. He's biased towards Ireland, the underdogs, so bias is not eliminated from his posts whatsoever.

He could be as equally biased towards France since he would want to see Sagna, Henry and any other current or former Arsenal players at the World Cup.
He could be, but he wasn't, he was cheering Ireland on after having their national flag facepainted hours earlier.
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

AntMcfc
 
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Jan 19 2010, 03:22 PM
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Jan 19 2010, 03:16 PM
murder but only just
Wrighty is through on goal and has an obvious square pass to give me an easy open goal, but instead opts for the shot. He scores from the shot.

Goonie is through on goal and has an obvious square pass to give me an easy open goal, but instead opts for the shot. He hits the crossbar.

The first situation turns out alright for the team, but both should be criticised equally for their shambolic decision-making.
True, but you would also praise the consequence of Wrighty's action in the same way that you'd lambast the murderer.
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Jan 19 2010, 03:26 PM
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Jan 19 2010, 03:22 PM
redDevilMoe
Jan 19 2010, 03:16 PM
murder but only just
Wrighty is through on goal and has an obvious square pass to give me an easy open goal, but instead opts for the shot. He scores from the shot.

Goonie is through on goal and has an obvious square pass to give me an easy open goal, but instead opts for the shot. He hits the crossbar.

The first situation turns out alright for the team, but both should be criticised equally for their shambolic decision-making.
True, but you would also praise the consequence of Wrighty's action in the same way that you'd lambast the murderer.
Wrighty got lucky, the ball squirmed through the keeper's legs whilst Goonie's shot cannoned off the underside of the bar :cheers:
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

AntMcfc
 
Greatest ownage machine: Scholes. Absolute animal when he was a regular poster, I always knew I was in the right when he was backing me up, and I couldn't wait to read a topic that he was posting in because I knew he'd be tearing someone apart
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Jan 19 2010, 03:27 PM
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Jan 19 2010, 03:26 PM
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redDevilMoe
Jan 19 2010, 03:16 PM
murder but only just
Wrighty is through on goal and has an obvious square pass to give me an easy open goal, but instead opts for the shot. He scores from the shot.

Goonie is through on goal and has an obvious square pass to give me an easy open goal, but instead opts for the shot. He hits the crossbar.

The first situation turns out alright for the team, but both should be criticised equally for their shambolic decision-making.
True, but you would also praise the consequence of Wrighty's action in the same way that you'd lambast the murderer.
Wrighty got lucky, the ball squirmed through the keeper's legs whilst Goonie's shot cannoned off the underside of the bar :cheers:
Is this something that actually happened? If not then surely you can still appreciate that your point is basically irrelevant lol
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Jan 19 2010, 03:22 PM
redDevilMoe
Jan 19 2010, 03:16 PM
murder but only just
Wrighty is through on goal and has an obvious square pass to give me an easy open goal, but instead opts for the shot. He scores from the shot.

Goonie is through on goal and has an obvious square pass to give me an easy open goal, but instead opts for the shot. He hits the crossbar.

The first situation turns out alright for the team, but both should be criticised equally for their shambolic decision-making.
both intentions were wrong but both outcomes werent

take the guy that threw the shoes at bush, he missed but got a 5 year sentence which was later appealed etc and he got let out. now if the shoe hit bush i guaran-damn-tee he would be hanging from a tree

its a fine line and im not a lawyer but the outcome has an impact.
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rollingstone
Jan 19 2010, 03:29 PM
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Jan 19 2010, 03:27 PM
rollingstone
Jan 19 2010, 03:26 PM
Scholes
Jan 19 2010, 03:22 PM
redDevilMoe
Jan 19 2010, 03:16 PM
murder but only just
Wrighty is through on goal and has an obvious square pass to give me an easy open goal, but instead opts for the shot. He scores from the shot.

Goonie is through on goal and has an obvious square pass to give me an easy open goal, but instead opts for the shot. He hits the crossbar.

The first situation turns out alright for the team, but both should be criticised equally for their shambolic decision-making.
True, but you would also praise the consequence of Wrighty's action in the same way that you'd lambast the murderer.
Wrighty got lucky, the ball squirmed through the keeper's legs whilst Goonie's shot cannoned off the underside of the bar :cheers:
Is this something that actually happened? If not then surely you can still appreciate that your point is basically irrelevant lol
No, my point illustrates that the consequences of one's actions shouldn't be the catalyst for abuse.
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

AntMcfc
 
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like i said before its also the perception of injustcie that has surrounded henry and his actions. if i remember correctly anelka dived and was punished moments before henry did his thing. because he was punished anelka has been forgotten and forgiven because justice was served.

henry on the other hand got away with it on the day, helped his country get to the WC and avoided punishment by fifa again.
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Jan 19 2010, 03:33 PM
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Jan 19 2010, 03:29 PM
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Jan 19 2010, 03:27 PM
rollingstone
Jan 19 2010, 03:26 PM
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Jan 19 2010, 03:22 PM
redDevilMoe
Jan 19 2010, 03:16 PM
murder but only just
Wrighty is through on goal and has an obvious square pass to give me an easy open goal, but instead opts for the shot. He scores from the shot.

Goonie is through on goal and has an obvious square pass to give me an easy open goal, but instead opts for the shot. He hits the crossbar.

The first situation turns out alright for the team, but both should be criticised equally for their shambolic decision-making.
True, but you would also praise the consequence of Wrighty's action in the same way that you'd lambast the murderer.
Wrighty got lucky, the ball squirmed through the keeper's legs whilst Goonie's shot cannoned off the underside of the bar :cheers:
Is this something that actually happened? If not then surely you can still appreciate that your point is basically irrelevant lol
No, my point illustrates that the consequences of one's actions shouldn't be the catalyst for abuse.
Well they are mate, and always will be because in most cases people care much more about results/consequence than intent. That's just how life works.
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Some people need to watch Minority Report :rolleyes:
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Jan 19 2010, 03:53 PM
Some people need to watch Minority Report :rolleyes:
have you seen minority report :hysterics:

cruise goes to hell and back to prove that your only guilty when you actually do something
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Jan 19 2010, 03:55 PM
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Jan 19 2010, 03:53 PM
Some people need to watch Minority Report :rolleyes:
have you seen minority report :hysterics:

cruise goes to hell and back to prove that your only guilty when you actually do something
Firstly, how dyu know who I was referring to when I said 'some people'?

Secondly, he only does so because there was a flaw in the system. One person shooting at someone from five metres away and missing, and another hitting (both aiming to hit) is EXACTLY the same crime. What has the murderer done that the attempted murder hasn't? Had better hand-eye co-ordination?

Obviously it's different in the eyes of the law and I respect that that is how the legal system works, but a lot of that is for the victim's family etc to be compensated for the crime rather than dealing with the crime itself.

Edited by elcule, Jan 19 2010, 04:07 PM.
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cheating needs to be stamped out.uefa and fifa should have started with eduardo's dive against celtic but didnt.players need to take responsibilty for their actions.if i were in charge of a football association like the fa,uefa or fifa i would look at every incident that i have the power to judge over and if i have deemed them to have cheated i would give the player a punishment.because of the french twats at fifa and uefa dont have the balls to punish one of their own countrymen,this topic is just gonna go on.we know they are biased,they handed eduardo a ban yet he got off the hook for some reason/yet they wont punish henry for a blatant handball
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