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Topic Started: Jan 13 2010, 07:59 PM (965 Views)
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Jan 14 2010, 12:46 AM
Cheating is an act of lying, deception, fraud, trickery, imposture, or imposition. Cheating characteristically is employed to create an unfair advantage, usually in one's own interest, and often at the expense of others,[1] Cheating implies the breaking of rules. The term "cheating" is less applicable to the breaking of laws, as illegal activities are referred to by specific legal terminology such as fraud or corruption. Cheating is a primordial economic act: getting more for less, often used when referring to marital infidelity. A person who is guilty of cheating is generally referred to as a cheat (British English), or a cheater (American English).
Thanks for repeating Scholes' quote from wiki mate. The key words there are "characteristically", "usually" and "often" implying that this is not always the case. Hence you can accidentally cheat.
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Jan 14 2010, 12:48 AM
Why though?

It was always going to get spotted and it was always going to result in a red card, always...

And if you didn't believe that was relevant at the time then why didn't you say so? :deepthought:
Why would I? I'd already said the sentence before "cheating is the breaking of rules". You just drew me off on a tangent.

You could have said the second line (replacing red with yellow) about Henry's, that was my point. Neither were subtle, both broke the laws, both were cheating.
Edited by elcule, Jan 14 2010, 12:54 AM.
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elcule
Jan 14 2010, 12:49 AM
Artrun
Jan 14 2010, 12:46 AM
Cheating is an act of lying, deception, fraud, trickery, imposture, or imposition. Cheating characteristically is employed to create an unfair advantage, usually in one's own interest, and often at the expense of others,[1] Cheating implies the breaking of rules. The term "cheating" is less applicable to the breaking of laws, as illegal activities are referred to by specific legal terminology such as fraud or corruption. Cheating is a primordial economic act: getting more for less, often used when referring to marital infidelity. A person who is guilty of cheating is generally referred to as a cheat (British English), or a cheater (American English).
Thanks for repeating Scholes' quote from wiki mate. The key words there are "characteristically", "usually" and "often" implying that this is not always the case. Hence you can accidentally cheat.
'Characteristically' does not suggest that it isn't always the case. 'Usually' does however, but it could be in someone else's interest, ditto 'often', but you can in some cases gain an unfair advantage without it being at the expense of others.

'Hence', I don't think that definition does point towards the possibility of 'accidentally cheating'.
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Dictionary.com's definition of a cheat:

a person who acts dishonestly, deceives, or defrauds: He is a cheat and a liar.
a fraud; swindle; deception: The game was a cheat.
Law. the fraudulent obtaining of another's property by a pretense or trick.
an impostor: The man who passed as an earl was a cheat.
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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Jan 14 2010, 12:54 AM
'Characteristically' does not suggest that it isn't always the case. 'Usually' does however, but it could be in someone else's interest, ditto 'often', but you can in some cases gain an unfair advantage without it being at the expense of others.

'Hence', I don't think that definition does point towards the possibility of 'accidentally cheating'.
Characteristically does mate. If I say "Artrun was characteristically late picking me up", it doesn't mean he's always late, it implies that's usually the case. If I said that "Scholes is being characteristally pedantic", the same applies.
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Jan 14 2010, 12:58 AM
Dictionary.com's definition of a cheat:

a person who acts dishonestly, deceives, or defrauds: He is a cheat and a liar.
a fraud; swindle; deception: The game was a cheat.
Law. the fraudulent obtaining of another's property by a pretense or trick.
an impostor: The man who passed as an earl was a cheat.
Why not include the rest mate?

–verb (used with object)
1. to defraud; swindle: He cheated her out of her inheritance.
2. to deceive; influence by fraud: He cheated us into believing him a hero.
3. to elude; deprive of something expected: He cheated the law by suicide.
–verb (used without object)
4. to practice fraud or deceit: She cheats without regrets.
5. to violate rules or regulations: He cheats at cards.
6. to take an examination or test in a dishonest way, as by improper access to answers.
7. Informal. to be sexually unfaithful (often fol. by on): Her husband knew she had been cheating all along. He cheated on his wife.
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elcule
Jan 14 2010, 12:59 AM
Scholes
Jan 14 2010, 12:54 AM
'Characteristically' does not suggest that it isn't always the case. 'Usually' does however, but it could be in someone else's interest, ditto 'often', but you can in some cases gain an unfair advantage without it being at the expense of others.

'Hence', I don't think that definition does point towards the possibility of 'accidentally cheating'.
Characteristically does mate. If I say "Artrun was characteristically late picking me up", it doesn't mean he's always late, it implies that's usually the case. If I said that "Scholes is being characteristally pedantic", the same applies.
Technically, all 'characteristically' implies is that said characteristic is a feature of the word 'cheat', in this case creating an unfair advantage. You know what these definitions are like, the use of the word does seem pointless if not accounting for another possibility, but it isn't concrete evidence for that being the case.

I've since posted an actual dictionary definition and there is a firm emphasis on dishonesty and no mention or implication of cheating covering accidents.
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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elcule
Jan 14 2010, 01:01 AM
Scholes
Jan 14 2010, 12:58 AM
Dictionary.com's definition of a cheat:

a person who acts dishonestly, deceives, or defrauds: He is a cheat and a liar.
a fraud; swindle; deception: The game was a cheat.
Law. the fraudulent obtaining of another's property by a pretense or trick.
an impostor: The man who passed as an earl was a cheat.
Why not include the rest mate?

–verb (used with object)
1. to defraud; swindle: He cheated her out of her inheritance.
2. to deceive; influence by fraud: He cheated us into believing him a hero.
3. to elude; deprive of something expected: He cheated the law by suicide.
–verb (used without object)
4. to practice fraud or deceit: She cheats without regrets.
5. to violate rules or regulations: He cheats at cards.
6. to take an examination or test in a dishonest way, as by improper access to answers.
7. Informal. to be sexually unfaithful (often fol. by on): Her husband knew she had been cheating all along. He cheated on his wife.
The first one could apply as well, with Keane cheating the Man City bloke (Harland?) out of his career.
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Right, I gave you until 1 Scholes, I'm happy to debate this tomorrow if it matters that much to you. Adieu.
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Scholes is right, tbh as per usual on matters of such tediousness
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elcule
Jan 14 2010, 01:01 AM
Scholes
Jan 14 2010, 12:58 AM
Dictionary.com's definition of a cheat:

a person who acts dishonestly, deceives, or defrauds: He is a cheat and a liar.
a fraud; swindle; deception: The game was a cheat.
Law. the fraudulent obtaining of another's property by a pretense or trick.
an impostor: The man who passed as an earl was a cheat.
Why not include the rest mate?

–verb (used with object)
1. to defraud; swindle: He cheated her out of her inheritance.
2. to deceive; influence by fraud: He cheated us into believing him a hero.
3. to elude; deprive of something expected: He cheated the law by suicide.
–verb (used without object)
4. to practice fraud or deceit: She cheats without regrets.
5. to violate rules or regulations: He cheats at cards.
6. to take an examination or test in a dishonest way, as by improper access to answers.
7. Informal. to be sexually unfaithful (often fol. by on): Her husband knew she had been cheating all along. He cheated on his wife.
2. To violate rules deliberately, as in a game:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cheating
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

AntMcfc
 
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elcule
Jan 14 2010, 01:03 AM
elcule
Jan 14 2010, 01:01 AM
Scholes
Jan 14 2010, 12:58 AM
Dictionary.com's definition of a cheat:

a person who acts dishonestly, deceives, or defrauds: He is a cheat and a liar.
a fraud; swindle; deception: The game was a cheat.
Law. the fraudulent obtaining of another's property by a pretense or trick.
an impostor: The man who passed as an earl was a cheat.
Why not include the rest mate?

–verb (used with object)
1. to defraud; swindle: He cheated her out of her inheritance.
2. to deceive; influence by fraud: He cheated us into believing him a hero.
3. to elude; deprive of something expected: He cheated the law by suicide.
–verb (used without object)
4. to practice fraud or deceit: She cheats without regrets.
5. to violate rules or regulations: He cheats at cards.
6. to take an examination or test in a dishonest way, as by improper access to answers.
7. Informal. to be sexually unfaithful (often fol. by on): Her husband knew she had been cheating all along. He cheated on his wife.
The first one could apply as well, with Keane cheating the Man City bloke (Harland?) out of his career.
I considered that ages ago but no, don't even go there :hysterics:
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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Henry cheated ONE time and I was very upset to see a good patriotic side like Ireland crashing out but overall Henry is 100 times the person Roy Keane is and you cant even compare the two.
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Scholes is right in everything he says and has dished out some epic ownage throughout this thread.

I'll use an analogy relating to Elcule's cheating at cards post.

What Keene did was akin to counting the cards in a game of blackjack, it was more like slitting the bloke next to him's throat with the Jack of Clubs, because he's shagged his wife. Is that cheating?
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Jan 14 2010, 03:19 AM
Scholes is right in everything he says and has dished out some epic ownage throughout this thread.

I'll use an analogy relating to Elcule's cheating at cards post.

What Keene did was akin to counting the cards in a game of blackjack, it was more like slitting the bloke next to him's throat with the Jack of Clubs, because he's shagged his wife. Is that cheating?
She was cheating then.
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