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Formations Becoming Obsolete?
Topic Started: Dec 16 2009, 12:22 AM (183 Views)
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/jun/08/euro2008

I think its a fucking shit article, but its worth a read. Barcelona 08/09 bukkake all over that argument.
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Wrighty
Dec 16 2009, 12:22 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/jun/08/euro2008

I think its a fucking shit article, but its worth a read. Barcelona 08/09 bukkake all over that argument.
No such thing as Barca 08/09 when that article was published.
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AntMcfc
Dec 16 2009, 12:40 AM
No such thing as Barca 08/09 when that article was published.
Err, Mr. Clayton, did I say there was? This bloke predicted something, then Barcelona proceeded to use a very rigid formation, becoming the greatest club side ever, cumming all over Carlos Alberto in the process.
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I think it's true to a certain extent. Football will continue to evolve and players will need to become more multi-functional and versatile. Similar to the theory behind 'total football', players will need to be able to do everything. A more rigid, conservative and meticulous approach has since emerged to counter that creativity and inventive play but I see a system which is like a blend of the two in the future.

In this system, your everyday star player who needs to be the centre of attention and who needs to be accomodaed into the side no matter what the cost, well he will be the obsolete one and if that should ever happen, I think it would be fantastic. Players would need to be more hard working, tougher, fitter and have great all-round technical ability. These days you have defenders who can't barely do anything attack-mided, they can't shoot for shit, they can't see passes. You have strikers who can't tackle, can't sense danger etc... Why the hell does it have to be like this?

In my opinion this will change sooner or later and the best players will be able to competently play all roles on the pitch and eventually there won't be much of a difference between them anyways. It would be great if you could have team made up of Baresis, Sammers, Rooneys and Vieiras, a team where almost every player could play anywhere on the pitch and the fitness and speed of the team was amazing and the movement was super intelligent and a formation that rotated almost perpetually. It would be a complete team and it'd still have the all creativity needed to destroy even the most organised of teams.

Think 8-10 players all attacking like a mix between Barca 08/09 and Man Utd 07/08 and without the ball, they're like two Italian defences. It will happen some time in the future. Football will almost certainly keep evolving, in its current state there might not seem like there's much to improve on but don't kid yourself into thinking the game as a whole can't get better, things can always get better and one day some club will decide to try and make a complete team, full of complete players and they will completely shit on every other team and it will revolutionize football as we know it. This will probably be some years down the line, probably after our time but it will happen, and when it does, a formation will pretty much be a thing of the past.
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Interesting ideas MY, but I can't see it happening. I think you actually highlighted the main reason for this almost indirectly in your list of 'all-round footballers'. It was and is only the immense talent of these players that actually allows them to become multi-faceted and, quite simply, these players are rare and precious phenomenons. Specialisation is key in almost all areas of life, and the same is true in football. There will never be a player with Ronaldo's strikers' instinct coupled with Maldini's defensive awareness, talent just doesn't work that way

Concerning the idea of the 'formation' becoming obsolete, well I don't think this will ever really happen either. Perhaps with sides in possession of a vast array of attacking talent a loose, fluid system may work wonders. But precedent seems to suggest otherwise; Madrid's galactico era for instance demonstrated that talent is no substitute for organisation.

Football, after all, is fundamentally about winning for most. Of late, Arsene Wenger has sought to fight against this notion by championing free-flowing football at the expense of a tight systematic regime. The results have been spectacular in an aesthetic sense - there is no premiership side (bar United) that I would rather watch than Arsenal - but ultimately fruitless as far as winning goes. History suggests that organisation leads to results: Greece in 2004 is perhaps the prime example of this, but there are many more that I'm sure you can all muster.

'Solidity', 'rigidity', and 'formation' may carry with them negative connotations when juxtaposed with Wengerian philosophy, but as long as teams can continue to win by employing such mechanisms, the formation will remain an integral part of the game.

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rollingstone
Dec 16 2009, 02:57 AM
'Solidity', 'rigidity', and 'formation' may carry with them negative connotations when juxtaposed with Wengerian philosophy
You are such a faggot for that, and I'm sure Scholes will agree.

Anyway, our past teams had brilliant shape.
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What's wrong with being intelligent?
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elcule
Dec 16 2009, 03:47 PM
What's wrong with being intelligent?
Using big words does not equal intelligence mate.
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rollingstone
Dec 16 2009, 02:57 AM
Concerning the idea of the 'formation' becoming obsolete, well I don't think this will ever really happen either. Perhaps with sides in possession of a vast array of attacking talent a loose, fluid system may work wonders. But precedent seems to suggest otherwise; Madrid's galactico era for instance demonstrated that talent is no substitute for organisation.
spot on rolling.
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I disagree wholeheartedly with the Galactios example. They had a lot of players who just weren't that good, especially at the back.
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Dec 16 2009, 03:55 PM
I disagree wholeheartedly with the Galactios example. They had a lot of players who just weren't that good, especially at the back.
but teams have been more succesful with players that have less ability than the likes of Zidane, Beckham, Figo, Ronaldo, Raul, Carlos ect.
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Dec 16 2009, 03:51 PM
elcule
Dec 16 2009, 03:47 PM
What's wrong with being intelligent?
Using big words does not equal intelligence mate.
Ok then, what's wrong with using big words?
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It was gay and unnecessary.
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Wrighty
Dec 16 2009, 03:47 PM
rollingstone
Dec 16 2009, 02:57 AM
'Solidity', 'rigidity', and 'formation' may carry with them negative connotations when juxtaposed with Wengerian philosophy
You are such a faggot for that, and I'm sure Scholes will agree.

Anyway, our past teams had brilliant shape.
hahahahahaha get in. What's wrong with the word 'them'?
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Dec 16 2009, 04:33 PM
It was gay and unnecessary.
Sounds good though innit
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