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Best Managers in the World; Who are the best 5?
Topic Started: Sep 5 2009, 02:35 AM (621 Views)
AntMcfc
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Cull58
Sep 5 2009, 03:50 AM
By your estimations, Paul Ince is a better manager than Hiddink.
Answer my question, you ignored it on msn and you're ignoring it now. Your logic makes no sense whatsoever, and you know it. You've picked Fergie because 'he wins things' and you've not picked Mourinho because ''he's all hype'', despite Mourinho winning things. Then you've picked Hiddink, citing amongst other reasons his lack of expenditure, whilst you've left out Wenger. :deepthought:
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Winning things isnt the be all and end all, which is the only reason why wenger is even considered a good manager. But Fergie has won a fucking shit load. And you, GB or anyone else who doesnt put fergie in your top 5, is a biased idiot. I dont even need to argue because the fact hes not in your top 5 speaks for itself. I am done with this argument, and I dont think I have won, there is no winning to be had. Fergie is in the top 5 of that list, end of. Anyone who claims otherwise is talking total shite. And anyone with half a brain knows it. Goodnight.
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Ignoring my question yet again, just like you did on msn. Answered to every one of GB's statements, but when I posed a tricky question you ignored it.
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Fergie would of never got close to winning the CL with that Porto side, Mourinho is a tactical genius and one day will be looked back on as the greatest manager the game will have ever seen.

Remember he had no prior experience in football, he was never a player, he just went straight into coaching. A big factor as to why he is so successful however is probably owed to the mentoring of Sir Bobby Robson, who definately taught Mourinho a lot about the game.

Mourinho after an good first season at Porto (Taking over mid season and leading them out of trouble and back into european places) what does he go and do thats right, he wins the Treble, the League the Cup and the UEFA cup, all of this whilst setting the highest points tally record in the Portugese league, what a terrible manager eh? Especialy for his first season in European management. The next season what does he go and do, oh thats right he wins the League, comes runners up in the domestic cup and of course wins the Champions League all of this however according to you has been lucky, however throughout the whole CL Tournament the only game they lost was to Real Madrid's Galacticos in the group stage, nothing to be ashamed of, and then continued you this luck all the way through the CL whilst beating United, Deportivo and Lyon and finally Monaco in the final. But of course this was all down to luck according to you, especially a 3-0 tactical masterclass in the final.

So then we're on to his time at Chelsea, first of all you say he was bettered by Ferguson during his time in England, lets look at the stats then:

Mourinho : 2 League Titles, 1 FA Cup, 2 League Cups, CL Semi Finalists.
Ferguson : 1 League Title, 1 League Cup and CL Semi Finalists.

Looks like Mourinho had the better of him success wise whilst he was in England to me, dont forget that he already beat him in the Champions League before this time. So in his first season at Chelsea he leads them to their first League title in around 50 years i believe, all whilst conceeding an astonishing 15 goals, when has fergie ever managed to get a team to do that Cull? That takes something special and not luck as you call it what mourinho has had, or in his time Chelsea as money, but its not like Fergie has never spent money has he?

Its a well known fact that in football nowadays you have to spend money to be successful, but just because your spending all that money doesn't mean your any less of a manager, you still have to gel the team, and pick the right tactics for the big games to win the big games that matter dont they?

So whilst Fergie has assembled his great squads over this time, with money to spend the whole time, Mourinho manages to do it in the pre season and gel the team perfectly to go on to win the league and only conceeding 15 goals, not to mention making Frank Lampard the second best player in the world behind only the great Ronaldinho. So he ends his first season with 2 trophies, the PL and the League cup and of course as semi finalists in the CL beaten only by "the phantom goal" of Luis Garcia, and they probably could of and would of gone on to win that final.

All the while whilst Chelsea are dominating the English game and go on to win the League the next season, United are in a transitonal phase as you said, however Mourinho never had a transitional phase did he Cull? He instantly got the team out and made them a success.

He then goes on to lose out in the league to Fergie in his 3rd season in England 2 out of 3 doesn't sound too bad to me, especially as he still won the FA Cup and League Cup, beating Man United and Arsenal respectively in those, something that isn't exactly easy.

So yes then he got sacked, according to you "because the money ran out" however im pretty sure they had spent hefty sums that summer just before he got sacked in September. It was clearly that him and Abramovich were just not getting on and i think most people can see that mate.

So then he moves on to Inter, like you said not the hardest of leagues to win the title and realy Inter were probably the only team competent enough to win the title last year, but still he won it and theres a damn good chance that he will win it again this year, aslong as Juve dont stop him.

So Mourinho a terrible manager since he started at Porto (lets say in 02/03 as he started the job in January 02 and also the year out he had in 07/08) has gone on to win :

2 Portugese League Titles
1 Portugese Cup
1 UEFA Cup
1 Champions League
2 Premier Leagues
2 League Cups
1 FA Cup
1 Serie A

All of this in 6 Seasons, leading to only 1 season when he hasn't won the league, and he still won the cup double then, this is why i think he is better than Ferguson not bias, but because he is a phenomenal manager, proved by his success 5 league titles in 6 years speaks for itself as does winning the Champions league with Porto. The way he organised the defence with Chelsea and how many big games he won by getting his tactics spot on, as he has always been known for how much he loves the planning and training side of management, shows he is a perfectionist with everything he does especially his tactics, showing how much of a tactical genius he realy is and that he needs to be appreciated more, and the fact that in these 6 years of management he has been so successful just backs up my claim that he is the best manager in the world, in my opinion there is no doubt about it.
"3-0, easy win. I'll quit the forum if we lose, we're not Arsenal mate we sort our business." Ant on the FA Cup final 15/4/2013
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I asked if Barnsley beating liverpool and chelsea made their manager better than rafa and jose.... Neither of you responded. I asked if villa beating munich in the european cup final made us better than them... Neither of you responded. Jose happened to win the champs league with Porto, well fucking done the lucky cunt. THEN he gets given the Chelsea job. Hundreds of millions of pounds to make a team out of what was already a top four challenging side. This was at a time when united were in transition an fergie was building his next team. Oh well done Jose for spending so much and winning the league, arent you wonderful. When the money ran out, Jose stopped winning. Fact. THEN he got given the inter milan job. Any of us could have guided them to victory in serie A. They won the league an they were still fucking shit. Did fuck all in the champs league as usual.
Fergie on the other hand, won the premiership, won the champs league, then won the prem again and got to the final of the champs leage AGAIN.

The pair of you are full of shite. Fergie not being in your top 5s is a fucking disgrace, I know it, you know it and any other fucker who logs in and reads this tomorrow knows it.
End. of . story.
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Sep 5 2009, 04:18 AM
I asked if Barnsley beating liverpool and chelsea made their manager better than rafa and jose.... Neither of you responded. I asked if villa beating munich in the european cup final made us better than them... Neither of you responded. Jose happened to win the champs league with Porto, well fucking done the lucky cunt. THEN he gets given the Chelsea job. Hundreds of millions of pounds to make a team out of what was already a top four challenging side. This was at a time when united were in transition an fergie was building his next team. Oh well done Jose for spending so much and winning the league, arent you wonderful. When the money ran out, Jose stopped winning. Fact. THEN he got given the inter milan job. Any of us could have guided them to victory in serie A. They won the league an they were still fucking shit. Did fuck all in the champs league as usual.
Fergie on the other hand, won the premiership, won the champs league, then won the prem again and got to the final of the champs leage AGAIN.

The pair of you are full of shite. Fergie not being in your top 5s is a fucking disgrace, I know it, you know it and any other fucker who logs in and reads this tomorrow knows it.
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Hahahah you asked a pathetic, nonsensical, rhetorical question that doesn't even need answering. We're not talking about 1 win vs Liverpool, we're talking about sustained success which you choose to ignore. Double standards from Cull here, Mourinho was lucky to win the CL, then he spent loads on winning the PL. Sounds like you're describing Ferguson to me :hysterics:
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Remind me what happened when Roman stopped giving him funds
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Sep 5 2009, 04:24 AM
Remind me what happened when Roman stopped giving him funds
The money managers spend on transfers does tend to stop once they get sacked. :thumbsup:
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Dont talk shit mate. He wasnt given any money, the team went shit, and then he got sacked.
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Not realy he had just bought Malouda for a high amount of money, signed Alex probably a few other players aswell, the matter of the fact is he didn't need to buy anyone, shown by Chelsea still competing with little signings, and would of won the CL had john terry not have slipped having the best depth in the league, mainly players that were there from Mourinhos days.

Dont try telling me you think Grant was better than Mourinho because if he can get Chelsea to the final, im damn sure that Mourinho could of, and im not going to say he would of won it, but theres a great chance he could of won it in 90 minutes, 120 minutes, even on penalties, but theres a great chance he still would of won it, and probably the league with that squad, if grant can almost do it, he definately can.

Everybody knows it was backroom problems and the fact the disliking between Abramovic and Mourinho was so known in public did not help at all and led to his inevitable sacking.
"3-0, easy win. I'll quit the forum if we lose, we're not Arsenal mate we sort our business." Ant on the FA Cup final 15/4/2013
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Sep 5 2009, 04:32 AM
Not realy he had just bought Malouda for a high amount of money, signed Alex probably a few other players aswell, the matter of the fact is he didn't need to buy anyone, shown by Chelsea still competing with little signings, and would of won the CL had john terry not have slipped having the best depth in the league, mainly players that were there from Mourinhos days.

Dont try telling me you think Grant was better than Mourinho because if he can get Chelsea to the final, im damn sure that Mourinho could of, and im not going to say he would of won it, but theres a great chance he could of won it in 90 minutes, 120 minutes, even on penalties, but theres a great chance he still would of won it, and probably the league with that squad, if grant can almost do it, he definately can.

Everybody knows it was backroom problems and the fact the disliking between Abramovic and Mourinho was so known in public did not help at all and led to his inevitable sacking.
Malouda an Alex were both shit back then mate...

And you know full well that even those signings werent like chelsea. They had been spending obscene amounts, and that year they stopped. Then they were shit and Jose got the sack. Backroom problems may well have contributed to his sacking, but the fact is chelsea were shit. If they had been class he would never have been sacked.
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2 people who wouldn't put fergie in there current top 5 managers? No supprise that 1 of them's ant tho, fergie has to be in the top 5 simple as that. He has won everything and more than once building 4 great sides along the way no other manager has done that. Mourinho is a great manager but has managed clubs at the right time, porto were by far the strongest club in portugal when he arrived, chelsea were spending money will nilly and inter were handed last seasons title by default
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Fergie is a man management merchant, no tactical awareness, no knowledge of football, generally not a great footballing manager



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Lol, i take it none of you have been monitoring Liverpools progress over the last 5 years
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1.fergie
2.hiddink
3.trappatoni
4.mourinho
5.moyes
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