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Martin Samuel- Selling the best never makes you stronger; Cristiano Ronaldo
Topic Started: Jun 12 2009, 05:33 PM (927 Views)
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Homer we only needed a point and that could well have affecte the way we approached the game, nevertheless, it wasn't a great showing from us but we still restricted Arsenal to limited clear-cut chances, there was probably only around 2-3 in the entire game.

We done well at the Emirates in the league back in November, Arsenal were playing some good stuff, Denilson done pretty well and Fabregas was alright, he did get knocked off the ball with ease by Carrick quite a few times though and he and Anderson were doing a fair bit of that during the game. Neither midfield was bossing the other that day, I thought ours did very well but Arsenal won the game and created a good few chances so they did very well themselves.

We got the better of you at OT in the CL and you didn't create much, if anything that night and I don't need to go into any great detail about how our midfield completely annihilated yours at the Emirates in the 2nd leg.

Taking into account all 4 meetings between the two teams midfields, there was only one winner I'm afraid.
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CL 1st leg is the only one that matters because the 2nd leg was dead after 10mins but the 1st leg I think the players were very nervous. This is a young team so I dont want to go into this.

Terry Venables and Harry Redknapp were saying Man Utd wont be the same withouit Ronaldo and as we all know they have both achieved so much as coaches. Are they wrong too? Of course only time will tell but im pretty sure if United start off slow you will just say they have done for the last 2 seasons and look where that has got them. My personal opinion is Liverpool will win the league and im sure Rafa and Mr Balague are laughing about the sale of Ronaldo.
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No Homer they all matter don't be making excuses now, in that case I can say that the ONLY game where you actually bossed us, was a game where we practically contained you and played for a point, so it doesn't matter. But the fact is you did get the better of our midfield that day and fair play to you, but the two CL games your lot were taught a lesson in how it is when men play against boys, and the defeat at Emirates in the league was fairly even to any sane football fan.

Terry Venebles is an idiot, didn't he say we would wipe the floor with Barca, I bet you weren't shouting about his footballing know how back then! But anyways yes of course we won't be the same, we weren't the same when Keane left the midfield, when Beckham left it and so on. In one position we are going to be definitely weaker as there is no other like Ronaldo out there, even Ribery couldn't offer us the variety that Ronaldo did for us out there but the strength of a midfield is mostly about the centre and if we have some good pacey attacking outlets on the wings that work well with the midfielders and Rooney and Berbatov then we will still have a great midfield. This is not Football Manager or FIFA where ratings matter, this is real life and if we have a great midfield which I'm sure we will with a signing or two, we will have enough in it to handle the 17 other teams in the PL, Chelsea and Liverpool have strong physical midfields and they will be a little tougher but we're still capable of beating them too, as if we have to. We lost twice to Liverpool but still won the league.
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Dam I just lost my post I spent ages doing

Anyway those CL games were not the real Arsenal mainly down to nerves and Man Utd played the occasion better but as I said before Arsenal can only go up and Man Utd can only be where they are at the best because they are top of the league and the only way is down. You were taught a lesson by Barca and at with Ronaldo gone you are even further behind them so its fair top say that I dont expect Man Utd to reach the cl final nor do I expect you to win the premierleague. Liverpool will over take you next season and Chelsea will be up there as well as far Arsenal well who knows :deepthought: but we will be stronger next season unlike Man Utd who have had their cycle.

Reasons why you will be weaker

No Ronaldo
Defence wont be as solid
More injuries
Lack of goals
Other teams will be much stronger
Rob Styles has retired

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Dam I just lost my post I spent ages doing

Anyway those CL games were not the real Arsenal mainly down to nerves and Man Utd played the occasion better but as I said before Arsenal can only go up and Man Utd can only be where they are at the best because they are top of the league and the only way is down. You were taught a lesson by Barca and at with Ronaldo gone you are even further behind them so its fair top say that I dont expect Man Utd to reach the cl final nor do I expect you to win the premierleague. Liverpool will over take you next season and Chelsea will be up there as well as far Arsenal well who knows :deepthought: but we will be stronger next season unlike Man Utd who have had their cycle.

Reasons why you will be weaker

No Ronaldo
Defence wont be as solid
More injuries
Lack of goals
Other teams will be much stronger
Rob Styles has retired

Reasons why you will be weaker

No Ronaldo - Okay having no Ronaldo is clearly a blow and we will be weaker at right-wing and overall such was his input to the team.
Defence wont be as solid - Err....Why?
More injuries - Really? And how would you know this that hasn't happened yet, we don't have Hargreaves for the first six months but what's new!
Lack of goals - Well nobody scored a very high amount last season (one of the lowest PL goalscoring seasons ever) We scored 68 and had a lot of 1-0's, I'd say we are more than capable of beating that tally, with or without Ronaldo.
Other teams will be much stronger - And this makes us weaker how?
Rob Styles has retired - Oh right, yeah Rob Styles has retired sheep it, we have no chance now :mad:
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No Ronaldo- I dont have to explain this one at all and no he wasn't just one player who will leave 1 blank position he was the catalyst and so much more.

Defence wont be as solid- Because you wont go 14 league games without conceading again

More injuries- Key players were mostly fit throughout the season

Lack of goals- The goals you scored this season wont be enough but even then im unsure if you will get 68 without your best goalscorer

Other teams will be much stronger- Means the level will go up and you wont be able to relax

Rob Styles has retired- 4 or 5 points can make every difference
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So we might not go 13 games without conceding, I mean it was the first time it's ever been done!! We didn't go that amount of games without conceding in 2007/08 but we conceded less goals, however did that happen? Oh yeah, you don't actually have to break clean sheet records to have the best defence. :rolleyes: Dear oh dear, that was a pathetic argument Homer.

We had a fair few injuries last season too don't forget, sure Arsenal had horrific problems but don't let that deceive you, we had Ronaldo out at the start of the season, Ferdinand in and out with various injuries, Evra out for a bit and more right-backs than you've had votes in POTM.
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Never said you did but that record breaking run sure did help and besides even free kick taking will be a huge miss which is just a small detail but as Dag once said "It's the small things that make the big things happen" :rolleyes:
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Also I should have won POTM many times but thats a different matter
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long debate between you two. :D
"3-0, easy win. I'll quit the forum if we lose, we're not Arsenal mate we sort our business." Ant on the FA Cup final 15/4/2013
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I'm sure we'll get a few free kicks from somewhere, Ronaldo did score a fair few in the last 2 seasons but think of all the ones that hit the wall, another taker could've put a few of them away if Ronaldo let them have a go!

Let's see who we sign and how we do next season because you could go on forever putting down our chances and likewise I could fire back with some positive angles on everything. I just don't see our whole team capitulating like you think they will without Ronaldo, I bet we will challenge for the title. Comparing what we do with Ronaldo in the team and without him is pointless really, if we're up there fighting for the title, I don't think there will be any Utd fans complaining over the lack of free-kicks scored.

Let's hope we get more team orientated which is pretty likely to be honest, and start scoring more from open play. The team was built to suit Ronaldo's strengths in many ways but let's see what the rest of the boys are capable of when we play more for each other. Maybe we will see improvements in other areas and all those "little things" will probably make more big things happen at OT.
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I will see who you buy and how you perform but I have my doubts just like many people do but you're right I can talk about what United will miss from Ronaldo for 10 paragraphs but at the end of the day it means nothing if United are at the top of the table fighting for titles. I have never said United would capitulate and I have said many times that United will always be near the top but there is a difference between finishing near the top and at the top. Only time will tell who is right but my gut feeling is close but not close enough.
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In fairness even with Ronaldo it would be a big ask to win a 4th title in a row, if we do end up coming 2nd, I won't be saying, it'd have been 1st if Ronaldo was here, pointless really. If had lost the league last season I could've said if Saha was here and fit or if RvN was still here we would have scored the required goals, it's never ending.

We still have that great SQUAD that has been key to us winning titles and one player going out the door won't take that away especially since we're likely to see around 3 new faces and therefore a stronger squad. The squad is capable of beating any team in the PL and as I pointed out earlier, we could get iffy results against the big boys like last season, but if our squad can pick up the points against all the other teams well it doesn't really matter. As good as Ronaldo is, him leaving won't change a whole lot in that respect. I can see better team work from us next season and a big season for Rooney who can be very devestating on his day.
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Stronger squad but weaker team

Ronaldo and Tevez will be leaving and Vidic could be another high profile player to leave but I doubt it. If United come out just as strong or stronger then ok fair play I would admit I was wrong but if United end up finishing 3rd and no trophies I very much doubt you will admit you were wrong :deepthought: Ronaldo is not just one player so Fergie has to get it right in the summer or else you will be starting the season weaker than you ended the last one.
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Seems United Took ronaldo for granted..all of this will make next season even more amusing..

all of this "We have evolved before as a team after players have left" is bullshit

you have never had the best player in the world before..
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