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Martin Samuel- Selling the best never makes you stronger; Cristiano Ronaldo
Topic Started: Jun 12 2009, 05:33 PM (928 Views)
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Utd need a top class midfielder, Fletcher is grand and for a combative midfielder, I think he's pretty good. He's not a big name but his performances over the last 2 1/2 seasons have been great. We need a really class creative player beside him, Carrick is a good player but he won't ever be as good a creator as we should have in the team.

Every season he has some moments of really superb form but he rarely keeps it up and he has his ropey moments every single season, we need a player who can be special and offer more in the final third, Carrick just likes to sit deep and thread passes through and with Flecther or Anderson beside him, it's too negative for my liking. We might as well discount Scholes and Giggs here because they're not going to be playing too many games and the pace of the game gets the better of them at times. Anderson might be getting tipped to eventually succeed Scholes but let's face it, he's too far away from that mark to even take a chance on.

I'm convinced that the midfield problem is why our attack can't function to it's maximum, it's too deep and is filled with old, inconsistent and unadventurous players, we need a player with spark and imagination. If we get that, our strikers won't be dropping so deep to collect the ball and they will be in the danger area more often.
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Jun 13 2009, 05:20 PM
Utd need a top class midfielder, Fletcher is grand and for a combative midfielder, I think he's pretty good. He's not a big name but his performances over the last 2 1/2 seasons have been great. We need a really class creative player beside him, Carrick is a good player but he won't ever be as good a creator as we should have in the team.

Every season he has some moments of really superb form but he rarely keeps it up and he has his ropey moments every single season, we need a player who can be special and offer more in the final third, Carrick just likes to sit deep and thread passes through and with Flecther or Anderson beside him, it's too negative for my liking. We might as well discount Scholes and Giggs here because they're not going to be playing too many games and the pace of the game gets the better of them at times. Anderson might be getting tipped to eventually succeed Scholes but let's face it, he's too far away from that mark to even take a chance on.

I'm convinced that the midfield problem is why our attack can't function to it's maximum, it's too deep and is filled with old, inconsistent and unadventurous players, we need a player with spark and imagination. If we get that, our strikers won't be dropping so deep to collect the ball and they will be in the danger area more often.
Completely and utterly agree, unfortunately Ferguson's policy seems to be Anderson or bust :greatpost:
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elcule
Jun 13 2009, 05:17 PM
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Jun 13 2009, 05:12 PM
elcule
Jun 13 2009, 05:04 PM
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Jun 13 2009, 05:00 PM
Not dominating in the big games is no big deal. Responsibility is unequally shared with 9 other outfield players to dominate a game of football, though his performances at the San Siro and at the Emirates this season demonstate his ability to perform on the biggest stges.
I don't understand how it's not a big deal; surely you want the team to be the best it can be, not merely 'good enough'? Eto'o is good enough but Barca are still trying to replace him, Higuain was good enough but Madrid have still replaced him, Arbeloa is good enough but it seems Liverpool are ushering in new talent.

No team is ever good enough and, for me, it's a crime that Michael Carrick commands a starting spot in one of the best teams on the planet.
Total perfection is impossible so I'd rather we prioritied and addressed areas that really need addressing. Name me two realistic centre-mid targets that could displace Michael Carrick?
De Rossi, Hamsik.
I'd like Hamsik, both are fiery players and won't be bullied out of games but Hamsik has that knack of making good runs forward and nicking goals. I think he has a decent scoring record for a midfielder and I think he'd be a huge favourite with the fans. He'd cost less than De Rossi too I'd imagine, I think we would get him for £20m or maybe less.
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Jun 13 2009, 05:23 PM
elcule
Jun 13 2009, 05:17 PM
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Jun 13 2009, 05:12 PM
elcule
Jun 13 2009, 05:04 PM
Scholes
Jun 13 2009, 05:00 PM
Not dominating in the big games is no big deal. Responsibility is unequally shared with 9 other outfield players to dominate a game of football, though his performances at the San Siro and at the Emirates this season demonstate his ability to perform on the biggest stges.
I don't understand how it's not a big deal; surely you want the team to be the best it can be, not merely 'good enough'? Eto'o is good enough but Barca are still trying to replace him, Higuain was good enough but Madrid have still replaced him, Arbeloa is good enough but it seems Liverpool are ushering in new talent.

No team is ever good enough and, for me, it's a crime that Michael Carrick commands a starting spot in one of the best teams on the planet.
Total perfection is impossible so I'd rather we prioritied and addressed areas that really need addressing. Name me two realistic centre-mid targets that could displace Michael Carrick?
De Rossi, Hamsik.
I'd like Hamsik, both are fiery players and won't be bullied out of games but Hamsik has that knack of making good runs forward and nicking goals. I think he has a decent scoring record for a midfielder and I think he'd be a huge favourite with the fans. He'd cost less than De Rossi too I'd imagine, I think we would get him for £20m or maybe less.
The Napoli president is an arsewipe though, such a miser. I suppose he only wants what is best for his team but everytime a team makes a bid for one of his players, he clings on tighter; imo, failure to let players such as Santacroce, Hamsik and Lavezzi in the January transfer window affected their morale badly as all three need moves - hence their plummetting down the table in the later half of the campaign.

Both would be great buys, and yeah, if Anderson doesn't turn up trumps, Hamsik would be an ideal alternative.
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Jun 13 2009, 05:20 PM
Utd need a top class midfielder, Fletcher is grand and for a combative midfielder, I think he's pretty good. He's not a big name but his performances over the last 2 1/2 seasons have been great. We need a really class creative player beside him, Carrick is a good player but he won't ever be as good a creator as we should have in the team.

Every season he has some moments of really superb form but he rarely keeps it up and he has his ropey moments every single season, we need a player who can be special and offer more in the final third, Carrick just likes to sit deep and thread passes through and with Flecther or Anderson beside him, it's too negative for my liking. We might as well discount Scholes and Giggs here because they're not going to be playing too many games and the pace of the game gets the better of them at times. Anderson might be getting tipped to eventually succeed Scholes but let's face it, he's too far away from that mark to even take a chance on.

I'm convinced that the midfield problem is why our attack can't function to it's maximum, it's too deep and is filled with old, inconsistent and unadventurous players, we need a player with spark and imagination. If we get that, our strikers won't be dropping so deep to collect the ball and they will be in the danger area more often.
I agree with your final comment about our attack being unable to function properly, but Carrick is so capable defensively that he could still retain his place if a top class creative midfielder was purchased. They could partner each other.
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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Greatest ownage machine: Scholes. Absolute animal when he was a regular poster, I always knew I was in the right when he was backing me up, and I couldn't wait to read a topic that he was posting in because I knew he'd be tearing someone apart
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Yeah he does do very good defensive work but just in my opinion, I'd rather have Fletcher in that role, he senses danger, is very disciplined in the role and literally gives the attacking midfielder he's up against no space to do what he wants, he doesn't hold back whatsoever and whoever he's marking, knows he's in a real battle. With the form Barca were on in the CL final, any player would've struggled with Xavi and Iniesta but I think Fletcher would have done a much better job, fair enough Carrick had a shocker and can do better but Fletcher is fairly consistent and he really comes into his own against quality teams and players. He's also no stranger to making a good run forward.

They could alternate for sure but that player alongside them is essential. With the money we have to spend, we might as well be strengthening weaker area of the team and that's right-wing, centre-mid and a goalscorer with some attributed neither Rooney or Berbatov have.

Hamsik £18m, Ribery £40m, Valencia £17m and Huntelaar £10m would be great and with those additions I think we would be very strong and bar the fact that we wouldn't have a right-winger who does everything it wouldn't exactly mean we were weaker, we'd be strong enough to challenge on all fronts.

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Valencia_Fletcher_Hamsik_Ribery
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Subs: Foster, Evans, Rafael, Carrick, Anderson, Park, Huntelaar.

That's a top quality team and bench which would still be one of the top 3 in Europe IMO. Then you have Nani, Macheda, Scholes, Giggs, Tosic and many other options.

It would be slightly surprising to see us spend that much in one go but it's the two players we need to replace Ronaldo and then the midfielder. Would we sign Valencia and Ribery if the Frenchman is even a possibility (I think so)? It's leave us with Ribery, Valencia, Nani, Park and Tosic. 5 wingers! Perhaps too many considering 4 of would be nearly expecting to start!
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I'd be very pleased with Valencia and De Rossi/Eto'o. Scholes' sources better be reliable.
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No.1 Liverpool
No.2 Chelsea
No.3 Man Utd/Arsenal
No.4 Man Utd/Arsenal
No.5 Everton
No.6 Man City

Even with Ronaldo I would have said the top 2 anyway
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united are still favourites to finish first
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Jun 13 2009, 08:54 PM
No.1 Liverpool
No.2 Chelsea
No.3 Man Utd/Arsenal
No.4 Man Utd/Arsenal
No.5 Everton
No.6 Man City

Even with Ronaldo I would have said the top 2 anyway
thats your prediction but i have to say most of your predictions have been crap
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I remember once saying

Man Utd=Defence+Ronaldo :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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I remember once saying

Man Utd=Defence+Ronaldo :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
and how do you know if thats true.you wont until the end of next season
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Man Utd have such an average midfield and they needed to sort that out a while ago never mind losing Ronaldo and Tevez.
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Our centre-midfield is missing a certain type of player for sure and that's been the case since Scholes' form dipped and even when he was bang on form we've needed a real replacement but our midfield is not that bad. Fletcher is a top player, Carrick is very good on his day, Hargreaves if he ever gets back is also very good, very experienced. Park was brilliant last year, some really class performances added to the steady, reliable performances we get from him 90% of the time.

This midfield got us through the majority of those 11 games that we won on the trot and after losing to Liverpool and Fulham embarked on a 7 match winning streak which led us to the title effectively. Tevez isn't ever a midfielder and during 2009, Ronaldo played as a forward or a striker so those two are hardly going to affect our midfield that much so the midfield isn't average, it's still good and the thing we have is plenty of options and variety in this position although granted, Giggs and Scholes are now a year older but both can play a part. One more addition, an attacking type of midfielder and a winger of course and the midfield will be very strong IMO. It's been several years since we've had man for man, the best midfield in the PL but collectively, well that's a different story, they've won 3 titles in a row just like the amazing Beckham/Keane/Scholes/Giggs midfield. We just need a bit of a spark in the centre and some penetration on the right to make it a top class midfield, maybe not the best but good enough to get the better of any team on their day.
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Arsenal made Man Utd look like mugs at OT and our midfield bossed the game
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