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Martin Samuel- Selling the best never makes you stronger; Cristiano Ronaldo
Topic Started: Jun 12 2009, 05:33 PM (929 Views)
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As seems to be taken as read, Ronaldo's sale leaves a huge void which they now have to spend time purchasing two players to adequately fill. That said, the main problem still remains in the centre of midfield; even if there are those that contend the purchasing of Valencia and, say, Eto'o/Benzema is not enough to replicate what Ronaldo gave to the side - leaving them weaker, then the purchasing of a world class centre midfielder would go a long way to alleviating those problems.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Fergie simply bought Valencia, and a World Class CM in the De Rossi mould, leaving Berbatov and Rooney to play upfront. That side, for me, would still be effective enough to win the title, particularly if a bit part striker - Huntelaar has been suggested by some - was added as well.

Regardless, I think we could be seeing some big things from Rooney next season, and I agree with those of you who state that Nani will greatly benefit from the removal of Ronaldo's shadow over his game.
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I wouldn't be unhappy signing Valencia, De Rossi and Huntelaar. My sources tell me De Rossi will join us.
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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Jun 13 2009, 12:28 PM
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Jun 13 2009, 12:24 PM
When he first joined the club I thought he looks like a real good talent but since then he has not really impressed me at all and to be honest he is looking like a real flop at the minute. I get the impression Fergie doesn't really have much trust in him so if you are putting your hopes on Nani to replace Ronaldo then well thats what you call desperation.
Who said anything about replacing Ronaldo? :deepthought: I was thinking of Nani coming into his own on the left flak...it's plain stupidity on anyone's part to think Ronaldo can be directly replaced...We need to eliminate the weak aspects in our game and that includes the "bottler" Carrick...Hargreaves come back!
Finally someone realize Carrick is totally dross..when up against top midfielders he shrinks into a shit hole :rolleyes:
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Carrick has been a regular in all our success and is a player you can feel safe with. He was diabolical against Barcelona and not enough was made of it, but he won't be playing against that sort of quality ever again. He was mahnificent at the Emirates so he is capable of producing in big ties.
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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Jun 13 2009, 12:41 PM
Nani has two good feet but never will he be anywhere near Ronaldo. He's not mentally or physically strong enough and would go missing in games.
Exactly :thumbsup: ..I don't think Nani has a brain at all to be honest :D
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Jun 13 2009, 04:46 PM
Carrick has been a regular in all our success and is a player you can feel safe with. He was diabolical against Barcelona and not enough was made of it, but he won't be playing against that sort of quality ever again. He was mahnificent at the Emirates so he is capable of producing in big ties.
"Safe" is nice but it isn't enough for United...
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Jun 13 2009, 04:44 PM
I wouldn't be unhappy signing Valencia, De Rossi and Huntelaar. My sources tell me De Rossi will join us.
Who are your sources?

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He was diabolical against Barcelona and not enough was made of it, but he won't be playing against that sort of quality ever again.


You going out early next season then? :bait:
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Carrick has been a regular in all our success and is a player you can feel safe with. He was diabolical against Barcelona and not enough was made of it, but he won't be playing against that sort of quality ever again. He was mahnificent at the Emirates so he is capable of producing in big ties.
Have you seen him dominate a midfield with such players as his opponent in Lampard, Gerrard, Xavi , Pirlo etc :deepthought: .
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Jun 13 2009, 12:07 PM
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Jun 12 2009, 09:47 PM
Completely agree with Homer on this one, i'm not bold enough to say that Man U will be a worse team next season, but the fact is is that they will need to spend all that money they paid for him to properly replace him.

The last couple of years Man U have looked utterly toothless without Ronaldo. Homer provided cold, hard facts, and as i've said before, you can't argue with facts
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That Fa Cup game proved nothing ManYou because most of the team were injured and to be honest we had bigger fry to stir at the time so if it was a league game I would have said you have a point. You're not just losing a player in Ronaldo you lose so much more but if you think you will be better off without him well then good luck with that.
We weren't at full strength either Homer and we also had a bigger game in midweek. I think you're continuously getting the wrong end of the stick here, I am saying we could be better, we could be a different type of team who could end up doing more damage who knows. You're dismissing this all the time, saying that once Ronaldo is gone we can't keep up to that standard or possibly get better and I've given you lot's of examples of clubs moving forward as a team while maybe moving backwards in one position. The two aren't directly linked, you do know that don't you?

I'm not saying we will be better, I'm saying we can be as good or maybe better, no point in measuring the teams like for like, challenging is what it's all about and I am confident that we can challenge without Ronaldo and given a few signings here and there, I think we can be just as much of a force. If you think that's impossible well you're slightly misguided and hyping up Ronaldo's exit. Sure it will be tough, no-one can deny that, but it can be done, don't you worry about that.
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Jun 13 2009, 04:48 PM
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Jun 13 2009, 04:46 PM
Carrick has been a regular in all our success and is a player you can feel safe with. He was diabolical against Barcelona and not enough was made of it, but he won't be playing against that sort of quality ever again. He was mahnificent at the Emirates so he is capable of producing in big ties.
"Safe" is nice but it isn't enough for United...
That's why fergie was killing him self to get Hargreaves even when he's coming back from a leg break because of what he seen from Carrick at the San Siro the year before when he got totally outclass by Pirlo and co.
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Jun 13 2009, 04:50 PM
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Jun 13 2009, 04:46 PM
Carrick has been a regular in all our success and is a player you can feel safe with. He was diabolical against Barcelona and not enough was made of it, but he won't be playing against that sort of quality ever again. He was mahnificent at the Emirates so he is capable of producing in big ties.
Have you seen him dominate a midfield with such players as his opponent in Lampard, Gerrard, Xavi , Pirlo etc :deepthought: .
Look, he's never going to be a great player because he isn't an expansive and versatile footballer. People say he is afraid to express himself but he's actually just unable to, and there's a difference. However, he is a very good player, reliable, experienced, good passing range, mobile, and he is good enough and will continue to be good enough over the next 5 years, to occupy one of the two central midfield slots at United, so get used to it.

Not dominating in the big games is no big deal. Responsibility is unequally shared with 9 other outfield players to dominate a game of football, though his performances at the San Siro and at the Emirates this season demonstate his ability to perform on the biggest stges.
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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Not dominating in the big games is no big deal. Responsibility is unequally shared with 9 other outfield players to dominate a game of football, though his performances at the San Siro and at the Emirates this season demonstate his ability to perform on the biggest stges.
I don't understand how it's not a big deal; surely you want the team to be the best it can be, not merely 'good enough'? Eto'o is good enough but Barca are still trying to replace him, Higuain was good enough but Madrid have still replaced him, Arbeloa is good enough but it seems Liverpool are ushering in new talent.

No team is ever good enough and, for me, it's a crime that Michael Carrick commands a starting spot in one of the best teams on the planet.
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Carrick has been a regular in all our success and is a player you can feel safe with. He was diabolical against Barcelona and not enough was made of it, but he won't be playing against that sort of quality ever again. He was mahnificent at the Emirates so he is capable of producing in big ties.
Have you seen him dominate a midfield with such players as his opponent in Lampard, Gerrard, Xavi , Pirlo etc :deepthought: .
Look, he's never going to be a great player because he isn't an expansive and versatile footballer. People say he is afraid to express himself but he's actually just unable to, and there's a difference. However, he is a very good player, reliable, experienced, good passing range, mobile, and he is good enough and will continue to be good enough over the next 5 years, to occupy one of the two central midfield slots at United, so get used to it.

Not dominating in the big games is no big deal. Responsibility is unequally shared with 9 other outfield players to dominate a game of football, though his performances at the San Siro and at the Emirates this season demonstate his ability to perform on the biggest stges.
I want a big game midfielder for such as the champions league final and to be honest he isn't..and to be honest Super Super Flect made him look good doing all the dirty work imo :tongue: .
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Jun 13 2009, 05:04 PM
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Not dominating in the big games is no big deal. Responsibility is unequally shared with 9 other outfield players to dominate a game of football, though his performances at the San Siro and at the Emirates this season demonstate his ability to perform on the biggest stges.
I don't understand how it's not a big deal; surely you want the team to be the best it can be, not merely 'good enough'? Eto'o is good enough but Barca are still trying to replace him, Higuain was good enough but Madrid have still replaced him, Arbeloa is good enough but it seems Liverpool are ushering in new talent.

No team is ever good enough and, for me, it's a crime that Michael Carrick commands a starting spot in one of the best teams on the planet.
Total perfection is impossible so I'd rather we prioritied and addressed areas that really need addressing. Name me two realistic centre-mid targets that could displace Michael Carrick?
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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Jun 13 2009, 05:04 PM
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Not dominating in the big games is no big deal. Responsibility is unequally shared with 9 other outfield players to dominate a game of football, though his performances at the San Siro and at the Emirates this season demonstate his ability to perform on the biggest stges.
I don't understand how it's not a big deal; surely you want the team to be the best it can be, not merely 'good enough'? Eto'o is good enough but Barca are still trying to replace him, Higuain was good enough but Madrid have still replaced him, Arbeloa is good enough but it seems Liverpool are ushering in new talent.

No team is ever good enough and, for me, it's a crime that Michael Carrick commands a starting spot in one of the best teams on the planet.
Total perfection is impossible so I'd rather we prioritied and addressed areas that really need addressing. Name me two realistic centre-mid targets that could displace Michael Carrick?
De Rossi, Hamsik.
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