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Martin Samuel- Selling the best never makes you stronger; Cristiano Ronaldo
Topic Started: Jun 12 2009, 05:33 PM (932 Views)
GoonerPaul
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Jun 12 2009, 06:41 PM
How the hell does Ronaldo have it all? If he's not scoring he's often a detriment in games, such is his attitude, and such is his poor short-passing, vision and creativity. To say he has it all is bizarre, he's a huge weapon but complete he certainly is not.
He's certainly the most complete player the premiership has ever seen...like it or not that's a fact as illustrated by the best seasons performance by a premiership player we may very well see in our lifetime.
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:hysterics:

Thierry Henry............

He's not complete. You don't need to be complete to be a great player but Ronaldo has weaknesses...
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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OK I have the pub and my girlie beckoning...l8r peeps.
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Jun 12 2009, 06:45 PM
:hysterics:

Thierry Henry............

He's not complete. You don't need to be complete to be a great player but Ronaldo has weaknesses...
I added a little flesh to my post you are responding to fella, sorry, have another read.
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GoonerPaul
Jun 12 2009, 06:40 PM
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Jun 12 2009, 06:36 PM
GoonerPaul
Jun 12 2009, 06:33 PM
You are also assuming that the remaining forwards will both be scoring their seasons best tally's to even keep up with Ronaldo's contribution...it's laughable :D
so what are you implying?

united wont improve this summer (like we have done every summer) and our star players will fail to perform. are you saying united will disintegrate because ronaldo was so influential.

wishful thinking
Not at all, I'm just saying that Man Utd will need to seriously beef up their squad, especially if your remaining players can't raise their game sufficiently to fill the void. Remember also Giggs can be a good free kick taker and is a good winger, but he's in his twilight years.

Also Barca are trying to sign Evra or Clichy and Madrid also want Vidic and are prepared to pay silly ass money to get them. The comings and goings for all the top 4 clubs is far from over...
last week i thought all this transfer speculation was all hype (like it has always been) but this transfer window could be the biggest yet.

united usually spend £30m a year, plus £80m from madrid and £10-15m from the sales of campbell + other rejects we could have a potential transfer kitty of £125m. i expect saf to heavily invest into our squad especially after losing such a big player so im fairly optimistic about our future.

we wont sell any other players unless saf is convinced it wont weaken us in the long run.

also to those that say we wont bring in a star name, man utd just like any other club makes a significant amount of money from merchandising, after losing ronaldo it would make sense for us to soften the commercial blow by attracting big names.
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either manyou is writing an epic or fell asleep on his keyboard...
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Everything depends on who SAF brings in, the formation played and the individual/team performance in each match. Ronaldo is a fantastic player and his contribution in ALL areas except maybe defending will be hard to replace by buying 1,2 or even more players. On the other hand it could be the making of the team. For example the Arsenal team of 2007-2008 was fantastic without Henry. However we lost a big source of inspiration,goals,pace and a leader. We won nothing because we didn't adequately replace those qualities. That is the massive task that now faces Utd. Even though Ronaldo (and Henry) had attitude problems and sometimes went missing in big matches, they both have that match winning ability and instill fear in the opposition. You can't necesarilly buy that.
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Jun 12 2009, 06:49 PM
either manyou is writing an epic or fell asleep on his keyboard...
It'll be about 4 paragraphs but it takes him over 20 minutes sometimes, he either does it in stages, is a slow typer or has a slow PC :D
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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Jun 12 2009, 06:25 PM
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Jun 12 2009, 06:16 PM
Ronaldo won't score 42 in a season again, I think everyone knows this. For me he is a 25 a season man, maybe 30. In his last 3 seasons he's scored 23, 42 and 26 = 91 and an average of 30. So we need 30 goals replaced, and we won the league in 2006/07 and 2008/09 with him scoring less than that figure.

Rooney got 23, 18 and 20 in his last 3 seasons averaging out at 20 per season.

Berbatov in the same timeline got 23, 23 and 14 producing and average of 20 aswell.

Now if we could see both players (Rooney and Berbatov) reach that average or their peak score which is 23 well then that sees us gain 12 goals, so if we got another striker who could score 18 well then that's Ronald's goals replaced,
Your logic is flawed...the initial post was talking about 1 player, yet you say the void can be filled with 2 or even 3 strikers (based on your goal tally explanation).

In addition to the flawed goal tally logic, you also ignore the other elements to Ronaldo's game that add to that void...his free kicks, his long range shots, to pace, power, imagination...ALL this AND goals from the one player, and all we hear is Man Utd fans say that these 2 or those 2 will fill the void.

Fact is you are all reasoning on the basis of 2 players doing the job that 1 was doing previously...that effectively is admitting you are almost a man down in your first 11 line-up in terms of what Ronaldo gave you.

Crack on... :cooldude:

The initial post was also measuring Ronaldo's goalscoring over two season which included his wonder season, not fair IMO.

He scored 26 last season so we need to replace 26 goals. Simple.

It's a long season and we could get 3 strikers playing plenty of games over the course of the season, plus the winger who replace Ronaldo in the winger role. It's very possible that we could get three strikers to contribute around 20 goals each give or take 1 or two, let's say 60 goals from the trio. The new winger could also get around 10, I mean Nani if he got his act together is well capable of scoring 10+ goals in a season, the new winger would also offer some creativity out wide.

Nani's long shots > Ronaldo's long shots, how many free kicks does Ronaldo score, how many does he blast into the wall! We can get someone or two players to score a respectable amount of free-kicks, don't act as if Ronaldo is the only one who can hit a dead-ball. We have Tosic and believe me he has a proper technique in free-kicks like Beckham or Nakamura, IF he can do okay and get in the team, he can score free-kicks, don't even doubt that, he can strike a ball you take my word for it.

Ronaldo is powerful and has a good aerial threat but his pace might not be as important as people think, with one or two additons and the fact that we play a more patient game now when Berbatov is in the team, we might see us attacking with a different approach. Everyone just assumes we have lost Ronaldo, no pace and now we can't attack, that's bullshit and you know it. We still have the players who feed Ronaldo and give him the opportunity to use his pace effectively, is Ronaldo the only player who can run fast? We can get ourselves a zippy winger, okay maybe he won't be as fast as Ronaldo because the chap is a fucking rocket to be honest but we can get someone to do a similar job, that's if we even need the pace that much. As I said Ronaldo was a big part of how we PLAYED but we might well see a different Utd with a different way of playing.

What about Arsenal when Walcott isn't in the team who do you have as fast as Ronaldo, RvP, Arshavin, Nasri? Leave it out, you'd swear you need a super fast player to fiucking operate as a team. Well you don't Arsenal play a patient build up and you can score goals, we need a little creativity out wide and we need to see better finishing from our strikers and maybe another striker to help contribute some more goals.

Ronaldo is a very complete player but compromises must be made by other teammates to have him in the team, maybe he will be replaced on the wing by a player who offers some of the things Ronaldo lacked while offering a lot of the things he did bring to the table and allowing more of ourt players the freedom to express themselves.

Everyone knows we need 2 top players to offer us what Ronaldo gave us, there's no point in mentioning every attribute he had because we can't replace all of them that's common knowledge but we can get two players to offer us most of what he did offer and who says we can't be as good as we were, or een better if that player is more team orientated?

Just seen your last point, and I've covered that, Berbatov scored 23 in 2 of his last seasons, last season he fll short alright but is it impossible for him to score 23 again? NO

Rooney is very capable of scoring 23 again, in fact I think he could very well score more than 23 next season because both players will have more freedom to express themselves. Don't you understand that when a big player like Ronaldo leaves that it can actually benefit the team and some of it's members. Don't you remember what happened to Arsenal when Henry left?! Players stepped up, that's what happened.
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i'm serioulsy getting fed up with these ronaldo threads.okay we get it,hes going but it by no means makes us a weak team.with or without ronaldo we are still the best team in the league and no one can doubt us
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I have found two interesting topics

Shortly after regaining the European title in May last year, Sir Alex Ferguson dispensed champagne at Manchester United's training ground and promised that Cristiano Ronaldo would be around for a few more years. United's owners would defy Real Madrid; the Glazers, he stressed, had “balls”. They also have debts. Now, for the first time since Ferguson became manager in 1986, United have lost a star player they wanted to keep.

The £80million is no more consolation to Ferguson than £26million was to David Moyes when United plucked Wayne Rooney from Everton. You cannot replace the best - and Ronaldo is the most effective footballer Old Trafford has seen since Matt Busby rebuilt the club after the Second World War. Eric Cantona may have been the catalyst supreme, the substance through which Ferguson's United acquired a winning chemistry, but no one - not George Best, Denis Law, Bobby Charlton or even Duncan Edwards of the Busby Babes - has dominated a season as Ronaldo did in 2007-08.

Ronaldo became one of the most feared strikers in the Barclays Premier League because of his pace, skill
and eye for goal. Nicolas Anelka came out on top in the League scoring charts last season but Ronaldo still dominates the various categories, as our Opta stats show.

GOALS

Anelka (Chelsea).......... 19
Ronaldo (Man Utd) .......18
Gerrard (Liverpool) .......16
Torres (Liverpool)..........14


SET PIECE GOALS

Ronaldo (Man Utd)......... 4
Taylor (Bolton) ................ 3
Brunt (West Brom).......... 3
Arteta (Everton).............. 3


GOALS FROM OUTSIDE THE BOX

Ronaldo (Man Utd)......... 6
Taylor (Bolton) ................ 4
Gerrard (Liverpool) ........ 4
Geovanni (Hull)................4

SHOTS ON TARGET

Ronaldo (Man Utd)....... 57
Lampard (Chelsea)........57
Anelka (Chelsea)............52
Robinho (Man City)........ 49

TOTAL SHOTS
Lampard (Chelsea)........110
Ronaldo (Man Utd) ..... 107
Gerrard (Liverpool) ...... 99
Cisse (Sunderland) ........92

TOTAL SHOTS
Lampard (Chelsea)........110
Ronaldo (Man Utd) ..... 107
Gerrard (Liverpool) ...... 99
Cisse (Sunderland) ........92

FOULS WON

K Davies (Bolton).......... 105
Gutierrez (Newcastle) .. 93
Pienaar (Everton).......... 92
Ronaldo (Man Utd) ...... 79


When Ronaldo has not been in the side United have lost 25% of their games FACT
When Ronaldo is playing it goes down to 8% FACT
When Ronaldo is playing Man Utd win 75% of their matches FACT
When Ronaldo isn't playing its just 62% FACT

Man Utd will miss Ronaldo FACT
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man utd will not miss ronaldo as much as you are making out we will.yes we will miss him but to doubt us is just plain stupidity
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Im not doubting anything
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Im not doubting anything
you are doubting us.i think you're forgetting that we have many world class players at united eg rooney,vidic,ferdinand and a lot of fantastic players and WE WILL BE CHALLENGING FOR THE TITLE NEXT SEASON


FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yep no question you will but maybe without Ronaldo you wont get past the finishing line.
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