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| The Season Is Over What's Your View On Barbie Contribution? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 10 2009, 12:40 AM (315 Views) | |
| ManU2DaTop | Jun 10 2009, 12:40 AM Post #1 |
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Everyone know my view on the mentally weak tw@t already so it's time for the other members to share there opinion on the Berbatoss first season at OT. |
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| Homer | Jun 10 2009, 12:42 AM Post #2 |
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As John Hartson said- Very disapointing indeed and has to improve next season or else he will be out the door. |
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| ManYou | Jun 10 2009, 01:47 AM Post #3 |
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Clueless fans. ![]() Spurs 06/07: PL 33-12__FA 5-3__CC 3-1__UEFA 8-7__Total 49-23 This is Berbatov's first season in English football, he was seen as a huge hit after this season. Now he scored 0.36 PL goals per game and overall he scored 0.46 goals per game, now bear in mind that he was playing in the UEFA Cup and scored many of his goals against weak sides in the group stage, he also played in the Carling Cup and bagged another goal, played 5 FA Cup games producing 3 goals. He was the focal point of Spurs team and he played higher up the pitch with Robbie Keane in behind in the majority of games, thus enabling him to be the one finishing off the chances that the team created, he was the star in the team and felt like he could do what he wanted and fully express himself because he was 'the man' at the club. He also appeared in the PL Team of the Year. -------------------------------------------------------------- Spurs 07/08: PL 36-15__FA 2-2__CC 6-1__UEFA 8-5__Total 52-23 Now onto Berbatov's second season in the PL. In the league he scored 0.4 goals per game, again he scored a few goals in the UEFA Cup against lesser quality teams, not near CL quality but not as many as his debut season in Spurs colours, 2 in 2 in the FA was a great return but in 6 Carling Cup games he only scored 1 single goal, a penalty in the final against Chelsea. Overall he scored 0.43 goals per game, worse than his first season but to the media he was still a fine player, he had some great moments like scoring 4 against Reading in the amazing 6-4 game, high scoring games do help a striker get on the scoresheet, again he played as the main striker and had more chances to finish off chances that were created. I think he was clinical in this season and he really took his chances well. Another great season for the Bulgarian. --------------------------------------------------------------- Man Utd 08/09: PL 30-9__FA 3-1__CC 0-0__CL 8-4__Total 41-14 Now he fionally got his move to Utd and a team playing at the highest level which he was not playing at with Spurs. His first two games were Liverpool @ Anfield and Chelsea @ SB. Toughest start he could ask for and Utd were beaten 2-1 in the first game and drew 1-1 in the 2nd. Not bad results really because it's no shame to lose to a fellow top 4 team and a draw away to one of them is a good result no questions. Berbatov assisted both of Utd's goals in these games and he done well in his very first games since joining. He also had a slightly different role at his new club, playng in behind Rooney or Ronaldo depending on the particular tactic we played in the game. Fergie seen that he has great linking up skills and with him also wanting Rooney to play up top more often and Ronaldo's need to be the main man in terms of goal, Berbatov had no choice but to play in a different position to what he played in at Spurs, a position that meant he wouldn't be directly involved in finishing chances as much. His PL record reads: 0.3 goals per game, worse than his first season at Spurs but considering he was playing as a second striker and he was at a new club who already had 'stars' in the side it's no surprise and certainly no shame. If he was considered to be brilliant in 2006/07, then surely he wasn't all that bad in 2008/09 bearing in mind all the changes he had in club and position. In the CL he scored 4 in 8 and that's just shy of his record in the UEFA Cup record of the previous season, Berbatov was lauded for his efforts in the UEFA Cup at Spurs, so in the CL with Utd he was good, no doubt about it. So he didn't get any goals in the knockout stages but it took Ronaldo until the quarter final in 2007 to net his very first CL goals. Rooney aswell exploded onto the scene in the CL scoring a hattrick in the group stage but it was that very same quarter final against Roma before he got his next CL goal, nearly 3 years! Did he get the stick for that, no of course not. Berbatov's CL season was good no questions. Overall he scored 0.34 goals per game, again you simply have to take into account the fact that he was in his first season and playing in a deeper role. His goals record naturally suffered, no player is going to score as many in a deeper position it doesn't matter who he is. Now the thing that Berbatov needs to do and I and every other Berbatov fan will agree with this, is he needs to shoot a bit more, he had plenty of chances to score during the season but didn't pull the trigger, if he had of done it, his goal record would almost be as good as his Spurs record even though he was playing deeper. --------------------------------------------------------------- For me and anyone else with common sense, Berbatov has had a decent enough season, he hasn't set the place alight but he has done well, assisting many goals and scoring a few aswell, sure he has to take chances and become as clinical as he was at Spurs and I'm sure he will be encouraged to do so next season by Fergie, when he does this, he will be scoring more often and with the work he does creating space for himself and using the ball sensibly in the final third, keeping the ball, he will prove to be more than worthy of a spot in the team. Berbatov haters: Go and start watching Berbatov play, watch what he does on the ball, fair enough you might not understand the intricacies of his game but in the event of this, don't come on here and start telling us all he does nothing because you just don't have a clue. He doesn't have to run around with the same intensity as Tevez or Rooney because he's a different player who takes a different approach to the game, a very idiosyncratic player indeed and he shouldn't be criticised for being the way he is. On a scale of 1-10, I think Berbatov deserves to be a 7: Good but not great and not poor. He has not been poor whatsoever, what he has done, he has done well with the exception of taking his chances and being more willing to get into the box but most of the criticism he receives is for parts of the game which are just not part of his style, it harsh to do this. We could all go on about Scholes' inability to tackle well or Rooney inability to control his temper, Ronaldo's selfishness but it's better to just be happy and sit back and enjot watching them do what they do best. Lay off Berbatov. Give him a chance, it's the VERY LEAST you can do. |
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| Homer | Jun 10 2009, 01:51 AM Post #4 |
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Thing that bothers me ManYou is that I have known about Berbatov since he was a teenager so I know what he is about and I know his qualities but because I dont like him doesn't mean I am clueless about him. I just believe Tevez is more useful and delivers more in the game. |
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| AntMcfc | Jun 10 2009, 01:52 AM Post #5 |
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Great effort put into that post Manyou. Top marks for effort. |
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| Cull58 | Jun 10 2009, 01:58 AM Post #6 |
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Im not gona read it all as all these berba talks are the same. But skim reading an thats a cracking post |
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| ManYou | Jun 10 2009, 02:15 AM Post #7 |
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Well I've seen Berbatov a good bit aswell and when he was at Leverkusen, when he was a teenager he was playing for CSKA Sofia and you were probably 10 or something so whatever you knew about him back then couldn't have been much unless you were a big fan of the Bulgarian league as a kid! You see I see a player making an actual contribution ie scoring a goal making an assist, something that has a big influence on the result and then there's the little small things that they do during the game, playing a successful pass, making a tackle, showing skill or doing something that enables the team to control and keep possession. Berbatov scored as many goals as Tevez and made more assists so he directly influenced games this way more so than Carlos, he definitely won us more points that helped us to the league title. Now during the game Tevez runs around closing down and making tackles, when he gets the ball he makes an aimless dribble and plays a pass, he hasn't got the eye for a cute pass and it's often simple and right in front of him, if not he will give the ball away through holding onto the ball too long or a wayward pass. Berbatov keeps hol of the ball very well and he ALWAYS shows for the ball in between the two banks of four (defence/midfield) giving an option to the midfielders so that we can progress up the pitch and keep the ball without having to resort to long ambitious passes whch ararely come off right. He plays the right pass, he can play a cute pass with nice weight on it and he shows skill during the game, he does things that you can only sit back and admire and that is what I look for in fooballers, they are the ones that I adore. Hard work is good to see, it's good to see a player put a shift in but in this game often called 'the beautiful game' it's not what I look for in fairness, there's hard workers in every walk of life and they get my respect but it's the ones with the creative minds and artistic way of doing things that are the special ones. Berbatov is without doubt a better footballer than Tevez, he makes a good contribution to our team and is a joy to watch, plus he scores as many goals as Tevez the main thing you want from your striker or for a second striker along with creating/linking. The only thing that Tevez does better is closing opponents down, tackling, running and energy, I don't think that's enough especially when we have other more talented, reliable and consistent players like Rooney and Park who do the same thing. Berbatov brings something completely different to our team and that's why he gets picked ahead of Tevez. It's a no brainer for me really. |
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| Homer | Jun 10 2009, 02:32 AM Post #8 |
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Ok not teenager but when he was 20/21 etc young age Football is a simple game and sometimes people over analysis things too much and make something out of nothing just to add a bit more context to the substance. Now as far as im concerned you cannot compare Tevez's stats from this season because 08/09 was not the proper Tevez due to lack of starts and lack of confidence which is all down to Fergie but never mind that lets talk about Berbatov. Now is 9 premierleague goals good enough? remember Anelka got over double that playing for a side which by their standards had a very disapointing season but he still manages to score 10 more despite only playing 5 more matches Ok you will no doubt say he is more than just about goals which is fair enough but in some peoples eyes keeping hold of the ball can be seen as slowing down the tempo of play and allowing opposition to get into position unlike Tevez who rams his way through the midfield. He is very elegant and has great vision and technique but that does not always mean an end product sadly and like I said earlier when you need an important goal with 10mins left it will really hit you just how important Carlos really is in those situations. |
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| ManYou | Jun 10 2009, 02:51 AM Post #9 |
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Well I mean once Berbatov starts taking his chances and shooting when he has a sight of goal, he will be scoring more and be more reliable for getting us an important goal, don't forget he scored plenty of late goals this season anyways, when we needed one it was Dimitar who provided more so than Tevez who got 2 (Stoke and Wigan). It all comes with him playing deeper it is naturally going to be more difficult for him to score when he is the one that has created the chance. Anelka did score more goals but bear in mind that he is a dedicated goalscorer and he played as the lone striker a role he plays much much better than Berbatov does. A lot of those Anelka goals were poached goals, you might remember the coverage he was getting from Andy Gray earlier in the season, pointing out that he was now scoring these types of goals and Berbatov just doesn't do that very well, this comes down to him needing to get in the box more often, Anelka does and reaps the rewards, as I said I'm sure Fergie will be encouraging him to make more of an effort with this next season. |
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| Homer | Jun 10 2009, 03:00 AM Post #10 |
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I dont have anything against Berbatov its just that he has been below par this season and some people have called him the biggest disapointment of the season but thats a bit too harsh imo. If he produces the goods next season I will be the first one to hold up my hands and admit I was wrong but if we are still in the same boat this time next year then im afraid there really can be no excuses because he has had a year to bed into Uniteds system and now next season he has to push on and really prove himself to the fans who have big doubts over his style. I know he is a cool laid back person but that to many people can be looked at in a different light so he has to show more intent and more urgency in his play. Time to show people what you're made of Dimitar |
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| woodbine2 | Jun 10 2009, 07:48 AM Post #11 |
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i'm fed up with all these berbatov threads.they are just a load of crap made by people who know nothing about him |
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| Ayrios | Jun 10 2009, 08:29 AM Post #12 |
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and i guess Man U fans know everything about him now he is a Man U player? but they are abit pointless now especially when the Berbatov himself said he has been poor but yea what does he know about his own playing style i guess its just some bias people but this is gettin old.. i dont have nothing against him i just think he can do much more and i bet this season he will do alot better i just think first season with Man U got to him cause of nerves and pressure but i believe he will come a better player for Man U but thats just my opinion |
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| ManYou | Jun 10 2009, 08:43 AM Post #13 |
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He hasn't ever said he's been poor Ayrios. Here's a comment he made 6 days ago that contradicts what you say. "I think the season has been successful for me," he told Manchester Evening News. This is the most negative thing he has said about his performances. "I know what I have done. And I know I can do a lot more." "I can improve because I didn't produce 100 per cent in some of the games I have played since I came to the club." He knows what he's done, as do most people who watch him closely and don't fall into all this lazy talk, but he says he can improve which everybody knows he can, he has had a decent season at the very worst but he's a great player and is capable of having great seasons, so sure he can do better and I'm sure he will show us next season. As you say it's just a bit of nerves in his first season, it happens to the best of players. |
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| 7seven7 | Jun 10 2009, 04:24 PM Post #14 |
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Berbatov has had a decent, but unspectacular, debut season. Fergie has done him few favours by swtiching the roles of Berbatov and Rooney so that neither are playing in what might be regarded as their natural positions, however his assists tally is notable. Next season is a huge one for him, personally though I'd prefer Benzema, perhaps Pato if he's seemingly available for the right price (I have no idea why Fergie didn't go for Pato first time round, I consider that an inexcusable error on his part). |
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| Homer | Jun 10 2009, 06:56 PM Post #15 |
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ManYou only listens to his own views and dismisses everyone who likes Tevez more despite lacking the same quality Berbatov has. |
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