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| Carlos Tevez looks set to join Man City; Man Utd are a poor mans City lol | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 12 2009, 05:46 PM (1,225 Views) | |
| 7seven7 | May 12 2009, 11:04 PM Post #76 |
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Yes, precisely, just like the FA Cup and who wins the FA Cup predominately? The big teams. |
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| Cull58 | May 12 2009, 11:08 PM Post #77 |
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Take a look back at the winners of the old european cup. It wasnt just the elite. Because it was harder to win. Everyone knows this its a fekin fact. It was changed to league to get more tv revenue and so the big clubs make it to the latter stages |
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| Homer | May 12 2009, 11:53 PM Post #78 |
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I am the King
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It should have been 3mins that afternoon but because United needed a goal they made it 5mins. You never see 5mins unless something dramatic happened and I can bet your life that it wouldnt have been 5 mins if United were winning. |
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| Scholes | May 12 2009, 11:55 PM Post #79 |
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Remind me how many teams have retained the CL Cull. |
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| Homer | May 13 2009, 12:13 AM Post #80 |
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CARLOS Tevez has opened the door to a dramatic move from Manchester United to neighbours City. Tevez’s agent Kia Joorabchian dropped a big hint last night that City, backed by the billions of Abu Dhabi owner Sheikh Mansour, are a serious option for the Old Trafford crowd favourite. Joorabchian says Tevez is prepared to join a club who are not in the Champions League providing they have the ambition and resources to qualify for Europe’s elite competition. And City are one of the few clubs in Europe who can afford Tevez’s £32million price tag and £100,000-a-week wage demands. Manager Mark Hughes has been given a blank chequebook by the Sheikh with the mandate of turning the club into a Champions League force. Joorabchian said: “There is a lot of interest in Carlos. His preference is to stay in England. Every player at his level wants to play in the biggest competitions that they can and the Champions League is the biggest. “But Carlos is not the kind of person who says, ‘I have to play for this club’. He has never been like that. “But what he is very keen about, and what he wants to do, is go to a club that has a real ambition and a real focus to be champions of England, champions of Europe, champions of everywhere.” Joorabchian says Tevez could join City or any of the other clubs chasing him with a clear conscience because, as yet, United have made no attempt to turn his loan spell into a permanent deal. He added: “The fact that they haven’t offered him a contract and that they haven’t made an effort to sign him up means that he has to think about his own future. He knows that by leaving United, he would have to go to a rival [club] to achieve that target of playing in the biggest competitions.”
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| Scholes | May 13 2009, 12:15 AM Post #81 |
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Who knows, may well happen. It's the genuinely top players I don't think City can attract, but Tevez, although a United player, isn't out of the equation...it should be but it isn't. |
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| Homer | May 13 2009, 12:18 AM Post #82 |
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I cant remember the last time a player from United who then went on to join City. It would show everyone City mean business. |
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| Fluke | May 13 2009, 12:22 AM Post #83 |
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MANCHESTER UNITED could try to sign Carlos Tevez on a Bosman-style free transfer. SunSport understands the Red Devils are exploring whether there are legal loopholes in the striker’s contract. In particular, the third party ownership agreement which ties Tevez with the investment company MSI is under scrutiny. Leading sports lawyers are looking at whether the ownership of Tevez’s registration by MSI could be challenged under the same terms as Jean Marc Bosman took on the old transfer system. Tevez is currently on loan at United and is a free agent when that dealn expires next month. His advisor Kia Joorabchian says MSI are demanding a fee of £32million for the 25-year-old but United have refused to pay. Any legal move to challenge the contract Tevez has with MSI would mean the player having to decide whether to sever ties with his advisor. That in turn would lead to a sensational legal battle which would pitch United and Tevez against Joorabchian and MSI. Joorabchian said once again yesterday that no deal is close with United and that Tevez is willing to sign for one of their Premier League rivals. He said: “What he wants to do is to go to a club which has real ambition, a real focus, to be champions of England, champions of Europe, champions of everywhere. “Obviously, leaving United he would have to go to a rival in order to achieve that target. “But he understands it’s not in his control.” But lawyers might move in if Tevez were ever to opt to take ‘control’ of his own destiny and break his contract with MSI. In 1995, Bosman won the right of players to move for free at the end of their contract with a club. The European Court of Justice ruled that players could move without a fee being paid or the interference of the club which held his player registration. Third-party ownership of the player registration was the crux of the old system and it’s the same principle which binds Tevez to MSI. It remains possible Tevez, who has 43 caps for Argentina, could now be heading for another huge European legal battle. Another twist in the tale. |
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| Homer | May 13 2009, 12:23 AM Post #84 |
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No matter what the cost is I cant see Tevez wanting to stay. |
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| ManYou | May 13 2009, 01:02 AM Post #85 |
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On the EC Vs CL debate, I think it's clearly harder to win the CL. This is evident from the fact nobody has yet retained the CL, I'm not trying to say that IF we add another to our tally of three that it'd be a greater achievment than Liverpool's five because the facts are Liverpool won Europe's elite competition five times and that trumps our three or four if we can win it this year. End of. But nobody in their right mind can say the EC was harder. Seriously, look at the paths some of the CL winners have had en route to the final, particularly since '99 (yes convenient but no I'm not trying to command extra praise for my team!) when the runners-up and later 3rd and then 4th place teams in Europe's strongest leagues all competed for this coveted prize. In 1999 we faced Inter, then Juventus, the two strongest teams in the then strongest European league Serie A. Coming out of the 'group of death' involving Barcelona and a seriously formidable Bayern Munich, two of the strongest teams around at the time, the latter who we eventually met again in the final. This season we have faced Inter (Italian champions) Roma, a good Italian side and Arsenal a team who can beat anyone on their day. We are now in the final where we will meet the only team who can realistically claim to be better than us at this moment. We are current European and domestic champions (the only definitive way of proving you're the best in Europe) which is my reasoning behind how we are currently no. 1. I don't think you'll find a winner of the old European Cup who had a path to the final like those, particularly our 1999 success albeit with a match less than the format since 2003/04. Most of the European Cup winners have come from the strongest nations. England, Spain and Italy predominantly then you have Dutch and German sides who have had some class sides in leagues that were amongst the very best in Europe at the time. Even France have had few winners, I can only think of Marseille (the first CL winners) maybe St. Etienne during the 80's. In it's 55-57 year history I can only think of Steaua (1986) and Red Star Belgrade (1992?) who as REAL underdogs have won the elite European tournament, this is highly unlikely to happen nowadays, I'd say almost impossible and this just shows how much quality there is in the current format, a team like Steaua would be lucky to get out of the group stage these days, if they get past the qualifying rounds that is. If you think the knockout format is harder, you need your head checked! And on Tevez that's an interesting development, if we we're to go for him on a free then it would be more likely he'll stay, but I think we're not exactly his first choice right now, he needs first team football and this is his main issue right now, if we can offer him that, he won't look any further than OT, if not he will keep his options open and he can't be expected to do any less. |
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| Cull58 | May 13 2009, 01:09 AM Post #86 |
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It cant be denied that its easier to get to the latter stages now than it used to be. All the big clubs get seeded FFS so they can play poor teams |
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| Homer | May 13 2009, 01:09 AM Post #87 |
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No ManYou im afraid I disagree In the past you had loads of world class teams capable of winning the EC but now only 4 or 5 teams are capable of winning the CL. The English league makes it easier for the clubs clubs to win because they are so superior but in the 70s and 80s there were several leagues which were mighty strong thats why no team had ever retained the trophy. |
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| Homer | May 13 2009, 01:20 AM Post #88 |
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Also you didnt meet Roma it was Porto You had a nice run in to the final really |
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| ManYou | May 13 2009, 01:21 AM Post #89 |
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Homer the European Cup was retained several times! Real Madrid won the first 5 on the bounce. Ajax won 3 on the trot, Bayern done the same thing, Liverpool done it, I think Notts. Forest even done it. Sure there were nations throughout Europe that were closer to the level of the elite nations but don't get ahead of yourself here, they weren't equal to Italian and Spanish teams. In the past there was ONE team from each nation and the tournament consisted of 32 teams (I think and surely no more in fact it must have been 16 in it's early days) That means 7-9 matches. In 1999 we played 13 matches including the qualifying round which was every bit as equal to an early round of the old European Cup, even a quarter/semi-final in some cases. |
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| ManYou | May 13 2009, 01:22 AM Post #90 |
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Whoops! We play Roma so much, I got lost there! |
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