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| Cull58 | May 4 2009, 11:58 AM Post #31 |
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| Scholes | May 4 2009, 01:11 PM Post #32 |
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He was our best player in the run of 11 straight wins... (Dec-Feb).
He racked up 10 goals in no time...it's since then his form has dropped.
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Berbatov is much much better at this.
One more goal, but neither were great last season. RS's post really wasn't a great one as Ant and Cull, two people that haven't watched United closely, suggest Ant thinks he's Rooney with class ManYou summed out what a joke MU2DT and the writer of the article is nicely. |
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| elcule | May 4 2009, 01:12 PM Post #33 |
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That's all well and good mate, and I'm inclined to agree with you - especially about his off the ball movement which, like i mentioned on wednesday, was magnificent - but it's all very idealised. I highly doubt that Tevez is consistently going to get enough games at United in order to prove his worth which makes it rather immaterial whether he would be good enough when given a run in the side. When you're fighting on so many fronts that side has to be adaptable, with players coming in to do a specific job in each game; now if you cannot come in and perform when asked then you are of limited use to the manager. Rooney and Ronaldo will always start in important games, leaving space for only one of Berbatov or Tevez (or in some cases neither) to fill the remaining place. Fergie's decision will be based the impact that those players can have when coming in, and imo, Berbatov's impact and ability to settle into a game quickly after a spell out, is greater than Tevez'. You said it yourself, confidence is a vital factor in Tevez' game; this could be noted at West Ham after his explosion into form after his first goal for the club and also for Argentina - where he has been a far better player this season than he has been at club level. In such a competitive league, Fergie cannot allow for playing Tevez just to get his confidence up. Sure, if Tevez got a consistent run he may be very useful, but barring injury to Rooney or the sale of Berbatov, he won't. Until that point therefore, i would fear for Tevez' future at the club. |
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| rollingstone | May 4 2009, 01:34 PM Post #34 |
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Yh I agree with that. My argument was a conditional one though: if Tevez got enough games, his contribution would be equal to or greater than Berbatov's for all the above reasons. I know it's immaterial because I don't think Fergie will give him that chance, but I'm lamenting that in a way as I think this could be a missed opportunity. |
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| rollingstone | May 4 2009, 01:42 PM Post #35 |
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The Ronaldo example, while misused by myself, is immaterial. The point remains that players generally benefit from a run of games. Tevez's movement is far more dynamic, which in turn enables us to play a much faster brand of football which gives opponents less time to regroup. This was evident against Arsenal on Wednesday, as well as the majority of last season. Berbatov adds a different quality to the game, allowing us to build attacks as he drops deep to set up the play. Both are useful and have their respective advantages depending on the opposition. I would argue though, that Tevez's style of play is just that bit more advantageous, a point that can be evidenced by the way that we racked up more goals last season than we have done this season. Obviously there are other factors in this, but I think Tevez's inclusion was an important one. |
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| Scholes | May 4 2009, 01:45 PM Post #36 |
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You talk as if Tevez hasn't played this season. He's played loads, and we have not looked more of a goal-threat and have not scored more goals with his presence. The reason we haven't scored as many goals is because we are in second/third season syndrome, and because lesser opposition managed to thwart and stifle every top 4 team this season. We were a much better attacking force in 06/07 than we were last year. It's amazing what 42 goal Ronaldo has managed to mask. |
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| rollingstone | May 4 2009, 01:53 PM Post #37 |
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No I don't, not at all. I'm fully aware that he has played, my point is that he hasn't had a streak in the starting 11. Also, against Arsenal, we looked bloody dangerous going forward. I often pioneer the Ronaldo argument too, but I think the asttacking unit last year was built in a way that was especially conducive for Ronaldo - in a way that it isn't this year - and I think this may have much to do with Tevez's inclusion. The unit was far more dynamic; all three of our attackers would regularly appear in each other's positions, and often this would mean Ronaldo playing down the centre while the other 2 dropped off and fed him the play. This hasn't happened as much this year. Ronaldo has played much more like a conventional winger. |
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| Scholes | May 4 2009, 01:57 PM Post #38 |
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If you go and watch Ronaldo's 42 goals on YouTube you will see that few of them were resultant of the attacking trio interchanging and such. The fact is, Ronaldo has lost his golden touch. He's had plenty of chances this season but his confidence amongst other things have seen a poorer goal return. |
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| rollingstone | May 4 2009, 02:02 PM Post #39 |
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I'm not going to agree with you on this. Ronaldo's drop in goalscoring form has mainly been to do with the position he's playing. Last year, I would take delight in pissing elcule off by saying that Ronaldo had scored 42 in a season from the wing (I had a song), but I was fully aware that he wasn't playing as a winger most of the time. This season, my song would be the same, but the number would be different and the comment would be true. |
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| diego | May 4 2009, 02:09 PM Post #40 |
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your loyalty to berbatov is boring mate, he's simply not united quality, our style just doesnt suit his style, he's a passenger for most time, and your dislike of tevez and slating of the man is becoming a vendetta, it was his inclusion vs spurs which turned the game, he unsettled their defenders and generally caused havoc leading to them collapsing, you keep bringing up this thing about his touch and awareness, but berbatovs touch isnt what you make it out to be either, and certainly his awareness isnt great, in my view theres a place for both, as there are games which would require a player to hold the ball(berbatov) and other like the spurs game which need a player to constantly close them down(tevez), so instead of this shit of comparing the two, GET BEHIND THE BLOODY TEAM |
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| elcule | May 4 2009, 02:12 PM Post #41 |
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Fully agree with that part. |
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| Cull58 | May 4 2009, 02:15 PM Post #42 |
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I think berbatov should go play in italy. And he certainly doesnt fit in the united team/ style of play. |
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| rollingstone | May 4 2009, 02:17 PM Post #43 |
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Yes he does. It's just different to Tevez's. As a top class team, you need variety. I just think Tevez's style of play is more effective. But there is clearly a place for both. |
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| Scholes | May 4 2009, 02:18 PM Post #44 |
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I always do. I'm not the one constantly bringing the discussion up by searching for awful articles on the net. MU2DT is the guy never satisfied and if he had his way he'd probably celebrate Berbatov scoring an own goal on Tuesday, no joke |
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| Cull58 | May 4 2009, 02:19 PM Post #45 |
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Yeah but IMO united are at their best when they are playing with that explosive attacking speed etc and it all just slows down an goes flat when hes there. |
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great post




Ant thinks he's Rooney with class




7:09 PM Jul 11