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Topic Started: May 4 2009, 12:38 AM (470 Views)
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May 4 2009, 12:57 AM
I would bet my broad on the line and say that Tevez will start on Tuesday :whistle:
I expect he will, because he was rested this weekend and Fergie will want an energetic approach against top opposition. Funnily enough though, we don't play Arsenal every week.
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I love Tevez because he has such a great mentality and he really is tough as nails so just because he does not have the same qualities as Berbatov does not make him a bad player. He scores important goals and is a really explosive player plus he is probably more skillful than most players as he has some nice touches and skills on him. He gives his heart and soul in every single match thats why the fans love him.
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May 4 2009, 01:03 AM
He gives his heart and soul in every single match thats why the fans love him.
Your right, but at the end of the day strikers need to be scoring goals.
I am soft.
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Berbatov isnt exactly prolific for united
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May 4 2009, 01:07 AM
Berbatov isnt exactly prolific for united
Great Post :thumbsup: ..compare there records in there first year at the club and you will see who's been the better player :cooldude:
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OMFG John fucking Giles AKA the man I have to listen talk shit about certain players every time I watch a CL game on RTE. I spent half time wondering what the sheep he's talking about.

Listen, this man just loves players who run around with great energy and enthusiasm. Last week was just another Berbatov bashing night, I swear he and Dunphy barely talk about the game they've just witnessed, just about how Berbatov,. Ronaldo and Carrick are not his cup of tea. He talked endlessly about Berbatov cited his lack of aggression and then 20mins later said John O'Shea had no aggression either but Dunphy said: "Ah well, it's not in his nature"

Giles then said we could have done with Scholes on the pitch because although he doesn't run around like a madman he brings composure to the team and never panics, he went on to say that for all Anderson and Fletcher's great work they couldn't possibly keep up that tempo for 90mins and he was right there but then practically lays into Berba for having the same qualities and ignored Tevez who like Anderson and Tevez can't really keep up the same tempo and still produce the quality.

Two weeks ago he said Arsenal are his tip for the CL because they have their important players coming back from injury and will grow in confidence, then he was told that Tevez stars up front and says: "Ah I think Utd are going to win now and Arsenal will go out"

Just like that, Tevez is starting, the man who has scored 3 league goals all season and everything is hunky dory. They went on to show how Tevez ingle handedly changed the complexion of the game against Spurs and then to my complete disbelief, showed a couple of clips of Berbatov not chasing down an opponent (v Spurs) and berated him for it. Berbatov the man who was brilliant against Spurs and from what I heard was voted MOTM by a Manchester paper. No not Rooney who was directly involved in every goal, no not Ronaldo who himself scored two. BERBATOV.

After a week of unfair stick he got after missing a pen in the FA Cup, all the critics were coming out and again talking about his apparent laziness all because he missed a penalty and he got voted MOTM by the fans themselves, which in itself speaks volumes about how well he played. You would think they'd show some of the brillliant touches he made or his contribution in the lead up to most of our goals and indeed his own fucking goal which he practically started and finished. But it's wonderful what you can do with some editing.

This man was one of the best ever Irish players and was a key componet in the great Leeds tam of the 70's but he doesn't know what he's talking about haf the time and just agrees with everything the super cynical Eamonn Dunphy has to say. I admit he does talk some sense at times but the fact of the matter is he has an extremely narrow-minded way of looking at things, he thinks players who run around are the greatest thing since sliced bread and when he sees a player he doesn't fancy he will say how bad he is.

I can't believe I'm even wasting my time on this bloody joke of an article, I didn't even read it all because I know what his game is, he's about as predictable as it gets.

It's no surprise though that MU2DT is behind it all, bloody hell do you search the net for articles that say Berbatov is shite and Tevez is great? And this is the best you can come up with! :hysterics: Sure you didn't even know who John Giles was last week and now he's "one of your people's".

When are you ever going to make a topic with your own words FFS?



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Wow thats some post ManYou :cheers: you must feel really strongly about this :lol:
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May 4 2009, 01:10 AM
Cull58
May 4 2009, 01:07 AM
Berbatov isnt exactly prolific for united
Great Post :thumbsup: ..compare there records in there first year at the club and you will see who's been the better player :cooldude:
What these records?

Carlos Tevez: 2007–08

45 Games
17 = Goal every 2.64 games
9 Assists = Assist every 5.0 Games
As of April 13th with 4 PL left to play

Dimitar Berbatov: 2008-09

37 Games
14 Goals = Goal every 2.64 games
9 Assists = Assist every 4.1 Games
As of May 2nd with 4 PL games left to play

Now sit down and shut up.
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May 4 2009, 02:31 AM
Wow thats some post ManYou :cheers: you must feel really strongly about this :lol:
Well thank you Homer! :cleverclogs:

You can't believe everything John Giles says, I know that more than MU2DT ever will because I watch his analysis every week on the Premiersip highlights program and on CL nights.
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May 4 2009, 02:48 AM
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May 4 2009, 01:10 AM
Cull58
May 4 2009, 01:07 AM
Berbatov isnt exactly prolific for united
Great Post :thumbsup: ..compare there records in there first year at the club and you will see who's been the better player :cooldude:
What these records?

Carlos Tevez: 2007–08

45 Games
17 = Goal every 2.64 games
9 Assists = Assist every 5.0 Games
As of April 13th with 4 PL left to play

Dimitar Berbatov: 2008-09

37 Games
14 Goals = Goal every 2.64 games
9 Assists = Assist every 4.1 Games
As of May 2nd with 4 PL games left to play

Now sit down and shut up.
It looks like Tevez stats is much better :whistle:

And who the fcuk are you to tell me to sit down and shut up ManPoo?
Edited by ManU2DaTop, May 4 2009, 03:34 AM.
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May 4 2009, 02:25 AM
OMFG John fucking Giles AKA the man I have to listen talk shit about certain players every time I watch a CL game on RTE. I spent half time wondering what the sheep he's talking about.

Listen, this man just loves players who run around with great energy and enthusiasm. Last week was just another Berbatov bashing night, I swear he and Dunphy barely talk about the game they've just witnessed, just about how Berbatov,. Ronaldo and Carrick are not his cup of tea. He talked endlessly about Berbatov cited his lack of aggression and then 20mins later said John O'Shea had no aggression either but Dunphy said: "Ah well, it's not in his nature"

Giles then said we could have done with Scholes on the pitch because although he doesn't run around like a madman he brings composure to the team and never panics, he went on to say that for all Anderson and Fletcher's great work they couldn't possibly keep up that tempo for 90mins and he was right there but then practically lays into Berba for having the same qualities and ignored Tevez who like Anderson and Tevez can't really keep up the same tempo and still produce the quality.

Two weeks ago he said Arsenal are his tip for the CL because they have their important players coming back from injury and will grow in confidence, then he was told that Tevez stars up front and says: "Ah I think Utd are going to win now and Arsenal will go out"

Just like that, Tevez is starting, the man who has scored 3 league goals all season and everything is hunky dory. They went on to show how Tevez ingle handedly changed the complexion of the game against Spurs and then to my complete disbelief, showed a couple of clips of Berbatov not chasing down an opponent (v Spurs) and berated him for it. Berbatov the man who was brilliant against Spurs and from what I heard was voted MOTM by a Manchester paper. No not Rooney who was directly involved in every goal, no not Ronaldo who himself scored two. BERBATOV.

After a week of unfair stick he got after missing a pen in the FA Cup, all the critics were coming out and again talking about his apparent laziness all because he missed a penalty and he got voted MOTM by the fans themselves, which in itself speaks volumes about how well he played. You would think they'd show some of the brillliant touches he made or his contribution in the lead up to most of our goals and indeed his own fucking goal which he practically started and finished. But it's wonderful what you can do with some editing.

This man was one of the best ever Irish players and was a key componet in the great Leeds tam of the 70's but he doesn't know what he's talking about haf the time and just agrees with everything the super cynical Eamonn Dunphy has to say. I admit he does talk some sense at times but the fact of the matter is he has an extremely narrow-minded way of looking at things, he thinks players who run around are the greatest thing since sliced bread and when he sees a player he doesn't fancy he will say how bad he is.

I can't believe I'm even wasting my time on this bloody joke of an article, I didn't even read it all because I know what his game is, he's about as predictable as it gets.

It's no surprise though that MU2DT is behind it all, bloody hell do you search the net for articles that say Berbatov is shite and Tevez is great? And this is the best you can come up with! :hysterics: Sure you didn't even know who John Giles was last week and now he's "one of your people's".

When are you ever going to make a topic with your own words FFS?



I've got no time to read another books of yours :thumbsup: ..but anyways Berbatoss is shit paper and I hope he stays far the fcuk away from the starting eleven at the Emirates :thumbsup:
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May 4 2009, 03:32 AM
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May 4 2009, 02:48 AM
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May 4 2009, 01:10 AM
Cull58
May 4 2009, 01:07 AM
Berbatov isnt exactly prolific for united
Great Post :thumbsup: ..compare there records in there first year at the club and you will see who's been the better player :cooldude:
What these records?

Carlos Tevez: 2007–08

45 Games
17 = Goal every 2.64 games
9 Assists = Assist every 5.0 Games
As of April 13th with 4 PL left to play

Dimitar Berbatov: 2008-09

37 Games
14 Goals = Goal every 2.64 games
9 Assists = Assist every 4.1 Games
As of May 2nd with 4 PL games left to play

Now sit down and shut up.
It looks like Tevez stats is much better :whistle:

And who the fcuk are you to tell me to sit down and shut up ManPoo?
Not really, yeah he has more goals but with more games and the average shows that they are neck and neck. Tevez scored a grand total of 19 goals and Berbatov has games still to play and he can still equal or even beat Tevez' tally.

There's no way Tevez' is much better anyways since he creates more on average and that's just stats, in the games he creates a lot that isn't assists necessarily.

You need to lay of him FFS, he hasn't been half as bad as your making out.
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Wow, angry people. I hope you sell / don't buy them both in the summer so you can stop debating this every week.

I don't think one has much more effect than the other: Berbatov was certainly effective at the start of the season, but seems to have hit a slight rut - whilst maintaining his wonderful ball retention skills and creative ability; Tevez on the other hand is just so much more likeable, works far harder and puts huge amounts of pressure on the oppostion - forcing mistakes, but his goal scoring record is poor and there's no getting away from that.

It's like when Barca had Ronaldinho last season, he was shit - total shit, but i still wanted him playing every week because I loved him; i would have much rather seen him play than Messi despite the latter being undeniably more effective.

So my point is, in footballing terms, you'd take Berbatov, but in terms of what team you'd like to take the field - you'd take Tevez as neither really make that much difference to whether United will win or not.
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May 4 2009, 11:07 AM
Wow, angry people. I hope you sell / don't buy them both in the summer so you can stop debating this every week.

I don't think one has much more effect than the other: Berbatov was certainly effective at the start of the season, but seems to have hit a slight rut - whilst maintaining his wonderful ball retention skills and creative ability; Tevez on the other hand is just so much more likeable, works far harder and puts huge amounts of pressure on the oppostion - forcing mistakes, but his goal scoring record is poor and there's no getting away from that.

It's like when Barca had Ronaldinho last season, he was shit - total shit, but i still wanted him playing every week because I loved him; i would have much rather seen him play than Messi despite the latter being undeniably more effective.

So my point is, in footballing terms, you'd take Berbatov, but in terms of what team you'd like to take the field - you'd take Tevez as neither really make that much difference to whether United will win or not.
Thing is mate, about a month or so ago I'd have agreed with you. But I'm starting to realise that there is more to Tevez's game than everyone suggests. His movement off the ball is outstanding: he always shows for a pass or drops off into space to find one. (Admittedly his touch isn't great, but it's not terrible either and the majority of the time he can control the ball). Last season, he scored more goals than Rooney and was a consistent goal scorer rather than chipping in for one month in every 3 or so. This season, I've noticed him getting into all the right positions regularly, but the goal scoring form has been, quite frankly, terrible.

What's missing then? Well, I think there is a tendency to underestimate the effects of continuity in the team. While Tevez has played a lot of games this season, he hasn't managed a 5-10 game streak in the starting 11 all season, and I think this is normally what players need. Ronaldo, for instance, wasn't great as soon as he came back from injury at the start of the season, but recaptured his deadly form in front of goal after a steady run in the team. Also, I think confidence is a major factor. When I saw him at Wembley, I could tell that he was just trying so hard to do the right thing; he would make all the right runs and get into the correct positions, but instead of leathering one into the top corner he would pass.

With a host of regular first team appearances, I think the man could do just as good a job as Berba, if not better. And I think his performances last year show this.
Edited by rollingstone, May 4 2009, 11:58 AM.
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May 4 2009, 11:56 AM
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May 4 2009, 11:07 AM
Wow, angry people. I hope you sell / don't buy them both in the summer so you can stop debating this every week.

I don't think one has much more effect than the other: Berbatov was certainly effective at the start of the season, but seems to have hit a slight rut - whilst maintaining his wonderful ball retention skills and creative ability; Tevez on the other hand is just so much more likeable, works far harder and puts huge amounts of pressure on the oppostion - forcing mistakes, but his goal scoring record is poor and there's no getting away from that.

It's like when Barca had Ronaldinho last season, he was shit - total shit, but i still wanted him playing every week because I loved him; i would have much rather seen him play than Messi despite the latter being undeniably more effective.

So my point is, in footballing terms, you'd take Berbatov, but in terms of what team you'd like to take the field - you'd take Tevez as neither really make that much difference to whether United will win or not.
Thing is mate, about a month or so ago I'd have agreed with you. But I'm starting to realise that there is more to Tevez's game than everyone suggests. His movement off the ball is outstanding: he always shows for a pass or drops off into space to find one. (Admittedly his touch isn't great, but it's not terrible either and the majority of the time he can control the ball). Last season, he scored more goals than Rooney and was a consistent goal scorer rather than chipping in for one month in every 3 or so. This season, I've noticed him getting into all the right positions regularly, but the goal scoring form has been, quite frankly, terrible.

What's missing then? Well, I think there is a tendency to underestimate the effects of continuity in the team. While Tevez has played a lot of games this season, he hasn't managed a 5-10 game streak in the starting 11 all season, and I think this is normally what players need. Ronaldo, for instance, wasn't great as soon as he came back from injury at the start of the season, but recaptured his deadly form in front of goal after a steady run in the team. Also, I think confidence is a major factor. When I saw him at Wembley, I could tell that he was just trying so hard to do the right thing; he would make all the right runs and get into the correct positions, but instead of leathering one into the top corner he would pass.

With a host of regular first team appearances, I think the man could do just as good a job as Berba, if not better.
Spot on.
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