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Tuesdays match could be the end of Cesc
Topic Started: May 1 2009, 10:31 AM (467 Views)
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May 1 2009, 01:36 PM
Cesc's awful performance midweek was not purely down to his team-mates
Your right, it wasn't; it was down to Wenger incompetence as a manager. Why would he play Cesc, a player who excels at picking out the best pass and keeping the ball moving, in a position where he would see very little of the ball? From about the 30th minute to the end of this first half Cesc dropped deeper and we started to control the game. Half time came, I fully expected Cesc to be in CM. He wasn't, and we were right back on the back foot.

Nasri was completely invisible as a CM. Didn't dictate the game, didn't show enough for the ball, and didn't win enough of the ball. He aint a CM. Either he needs to grow a sack and fulfill his enormous potential as a wide player, or he becomes a squad player that can play all across midfield and as a half striker. If he isn't fine with that he can fvck off back to Marseille.
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I've been impressed with Nasri defensively recently, but yeh, he is overrated as he's hardly done anything at Arsenal.

As for Cesc, Wenger is partly to blame but Cesc is not free of it. As a talented footballer his performance midweek was simply not good enough. It was lackluster and wasteful.
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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This is how i feel about it.

If Cesc and some of our other players aren't going to show the passion they need to when at this stage in the CL then they have nobody to blame but themselves when they don't win the trophies they want to. Do they think that going to Barca is going to give them an easy ride to medals? Because if they do then they're in for a fucking shock.
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May 1 2009, 01:43 PM
As for Cesc, Wenger is partly to blame but Cesc is not free of it. As a talented footballer his performance midweek was simply not good enough. It was lackluster and wasteful.
Yes, Cesc is completely free from blame. He should never be played in a position that masks all his strengths and highlights all his weaknesses. That is completely Wenger's fault. Would you like it if Vidic was played at RB or CM? Come on Scholes, get a grip son and analyze the game. Wenger is a narcissist who is too comfortable in his job. Converting Cesc will get him genius status if it works. If it fails he has ruined Cesc and the team, but that's ok because we are turning in the best profits.

Its like taking a world class conductor, tying his hands behind his back, and still expecting him to orchestrate world class performances.
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Deary me, what a joke.

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Would you like it if Vidic was played at RB or CM?


Playing Vidic in midfield is a bit different from playing Fabregas in a more advanced position :hysterics: :hysterics: :hysterics:

Outrageous comparison!!!

It's not ALL Wenger's fault, and Fabregas is partly to blame for a terrible performance. Or are you telling me that in a more advanced position, Fabregas loses the ability to pass a ball, or play with urgency? :lol:

He may be uncomfortable there, much like Gerrard is LW for England, but you should still get the basics right. Comon, start analysing properly please.
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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May 1 2009, 01:56 PM
Deary me, what a joke.

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Would you like it if Vidic was played at RB or CM?


Playing Vidic in midfield is a bit different from playing Fabregas in a more advanced position :hysterics: :hysterics: :hysterics:

Outrageous comparison!!!

It's not ALL Wenger's fault, and Fabregas is partly to blame for a terrible performance. Or are you telling me that in a more advanced position, Fabregas loses the ability to pass a ball, or play with urgency? :lol:

He may be uncomfortable there, much like Gerrard is LW for England, but you should still get the basics right. Comon, start analysing properly please.
True words Scholes. Cesc needs to pick it back up, definitely. He's probably still not fully sharp following that injury but we NEED him to show his full ability on Tuesday, wherever he's played.
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Triggle, its really simple.

1. Play Cesc in central midfield and you will get a player who wins the ball and dictates the game on an average day. On a great day he will completely boss the game, create chance after chance, and keep the other team on the back foot.

2. Play Cesc in AM and against a shit team he will run riot. Play him there against an average team he will struggle, but still probably get an assist. Play him against a good/great team and he will be completely dominated.

During ALL of Wenger's successful seasons he played players in positions where they would highlight all their strengths and mask all weaknesses. He is doing the complete opposite right now, and it is none more apparent than with Cesc, Van Persie, Walcott, and Denilson.
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As for Cesc, Wenger is partly to blame but Cesc is not free of it. As a talented footballer his performance midweek was simply not good enough. It was lackluster and wasteful.
so fabregas gets slated but fat fwank gets excuses?
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May 1 2009, 09:13 PM
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As for Cesc, Wenger is partly to blame but Cesc is not free of it. As a talented footballer his performance midweek was simply not good enough. It was lackluster and wasteful.
so fabregas gets slated but fat fwank gets excuses?
Lampard was anonymous at the most difficult place to go in world football, give no support from his team-mates leaving him isolated in possession. He was extremely quiet making his overall performance a poor one. Now if you watched Cesc Fabregas midweek, you'd have seen a player beaten to every loose ball, a player dispossessed by dwelling in possession, a player lacking urgency, and a player thinking they're above themselves by playing hollywood, which is becoming a common occurance from this rat.
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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May 1 2009, 09:37 PM
leaving him isolated in possession.
Quit talking shit. He never even got the ball FFS. He was a disaster off the ball.
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It's completely unfair to place all the blame on Wenger. Cesc was played in his ideal position for the first half of the season and was possibly even worse then then he is now. Like Scholes said, at Man U he gave a performance that for years to come will be used as a tape to show what a midfeilder shouldn't do. When he passed the ball across goal and straight to a Man U player in the last few minutes when we knew that if we conceded a goal we would've been as good as out of the CL, that could be blamed on nobody other then himself.

This season he has been an utter embarresment in every sense of the word
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Ok, so he has been poor in CM right? Why play him in a position where he would be worse?
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May 1 2009, 02:19 PM
Triggle, its really simple.

1. Play Cesc in central midfield and you will get a player who wins the ball and dictates the game on an average day. On a great day he will completely boss the game, create chance after chance, and keep the other team on the back foot.

2. Play Cesc in AM and against a shit team he will run riot. Play him there against an average team he will struggle, but still probably get an assist. Play him against a good/great team and he will be completely dominated.

During ALL of Wenger's successful seasons he played players in positions where they would highlight all their strengths and mask all weaknesses. He is doing the complete opposite right now, and it is none more apparent than with Cesc, Van Persie, Walcott, and Denilson.
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It was just Wenger trying to find a new way to get the best out of him, i hate to say it but right now it is very much irrellevant whether he plays CM & AM, because either way i expect him to give the ball away and leave no impact on the game at all
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Go rewatch the United match. Anytime Cesc stayed deep for any significant amount of time we controlled the game.

I will almost guarantee a masterclass from him if he plays there Tuesday.
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