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Liverpool - Good enough?
Topic Started: Apr 21 2009, 11:20 PM (332 Views)
roonaldo
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Apr 22 2009, 02:32 AM
Stop being jealous and just accept that Liverpool have been better than United this season. They done the double over United and Chelsea and they did not lose to Arsenal so they have done really well against the top teams and the reason why they score late goals is because they have a fighting character about them which never gives up and they fight until the last moment.
If they were better than united they'd be above them in the table, yes i know they are at the minute but they've played more games, at the end of the day the table doesn't lie
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I have faith in Portsmouth, Tottenham and Arsenal to get points off United

Then we have to win all our games, i still have faith

but next season, with a couple of WORLD class signings.... and keeping key players fit, we'll be right up there again

IN RAFA WE TRUST
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Apr 21 2009, 11:20 PM
Currently they are within the top 4 best sides in world football.

However, despite being incredibly hungry for success this season, and despite showing massive amounts of desire, a third successive season without silverware looms large.

So what do they need to do to be successful next season? Can this team remain the same and compete on all fronts next season? Will this season's events help them?

What are your thoughts on Liverpool?
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Currently they are within the top 4 best sides in world football



so why arent they in the last 4 of the CL, or why were they ko'd early in domestic cups, 1 swallow doesnt make it a great summer, liverpool have played above themselves in the league, and they'll be back to fighting for 3rd/4th next season
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diego liverpool are top 4 in the world and would have easily made the cl semi's if they didnt have to play chelsea, united or barca

in the league they have been good not amazing, untill the real madrid result when they played like men possessed blowing teams over etc

yes if gerrard and torres been fit they would have been more consistent etc but i still think that they are a team punching above their weight
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Apr 22 2009, 02:32 AM
Stop being jealous and just accept that Liverpool have been better than United this season. They done the double over United and Chelsea and they did not lose to Arsenal so they have done really well against the top teams and the reason why they score late goals is because they have a fighting character about them which never gives up and they fight until the last moment.
I stand by my comments that Liverpool from August to December were no different to the Liverpool of old. They always fight until the end but they failed to break team down AS USUAL. We have won a lot of games with late winners but you don't mention how we fight to to the end.

You're just on a mission to NOT admit Utd were the best and Liverpool are the only team who you could mention without being laughed at. But I still find it funny, they were their usual ordinary self for most of the season.

Look at their results, we hear bno end to how "average" Utd have been because we have been scraping wins but Liverpool as I have PROVED, have had their fair share aswell. Then in January they BLEW a 5 point lead and we went top. As I said stop kidding yourself, Liverpool's recent form seems to be fooling a lot of people but not me. I like to judge over a longer period of time and the simple fact of the matter is, if Liverpool hadn't of beaten us 4-1, Villa 5-0 and Blackburn 4-0 nobody would be calling them anything special.

One thing I think Liverpool deserve big creedit for is that they've been in the top 3 for pretty much the whole season so they have been ding better than usual but not outstanding. Your letting your anti-Utd-ness and your love for Gerrard and Torres cloud your judgement.

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diego
Apr 22 2009, 01:38 PM
$chole$
Apr 21 2009, 11:20 PM
Currently they are within the top 4 best sides in world football.

However, despite being incredibly hungry for success this season, and despite showing massive amounts of desire, a third successive season without silverware looms large.

So what do they need to do to be successful next season? Can this team remain the same and compete on all fronts next season? Will this season's events help them?

What are your thoughts on Liverpool?
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Currently they are within the top 4 best sides in world football



so why arent they in the last 4 of the CL
Because they got beaten by another top 4 side in world football, Chelsea...
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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Apr 22 2009, 02:42 PM
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Apr 22 2009, 02:32 AM
Stop being jealous and just accept that Liverpool have been better than United this season. They done the double over United and Chelsea and they did not lose to Arsenal so they have done really well against the top teams and the reason why they score late goals is because they have a fighting character about them which never gives up and they fight until the last moment.
I stand by my comments that Liverpool from August to December were no different to the Liverpool of old. They always fight until the end but they failed to break team down AS USUAL. We have won a lot of games with late winners but you don't mention how we fight to to the end.

You're just on a mission to NOT admit Utd were the best and Liverpool are the only team who you could mention without being laughed at. But I still find it funny, they were their usual ordinary self for most of the season.

Look at their results, we hear bno end to how "average" Utd have been because we have been scraping wins but Liverpool as I have PROVED, have had their fair share aswell. Then in January they BLEW a 5 point lead and we went top. As I said stop kidding yourself, Liverpool's recent form seems to be fooling a lot of people but not me. I like to judge over a longer period of time and the simple fact of the matter is, if Liverpool hadn't of beaten us 4-1, Villa 5-0 and Blackburn 4-0 nobody would be calling them anything special.

One thing I think Liverpool deserve big creedit for is that they've been in the top 3 for pretty much the whole season so they have been ding better than usual but not outstanding. Your letting your anti-Utd-ness and your love for Gerrard and Torres cloud your judgement.

Your right they were nothing special from August to December but they were still winning games and were better than any other team in the league. I have always said the competition in the league hasnt been that great this season so credit to Liverpool who have improved so much this season and have go the maximum out of their resources. Out of the big 4 they have been the best team but im afraid the best team doesn't always win the title and im afraid this could be the case again this season.
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no the best team always wins the title whether you like it or not homer

just because united havent been as attractive doesnt make them worse
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Liverpool's current form, on the face of it, would justify the assertion that they are a top 4 club in world football. But I'm not so sure. Certainly, this team is much improved on last year's model as goals now come from a wider range of sources and their defence looks increasingly solid (when not forced into an open game as they were against Arsenal and Chelsea). However, the 'amazing' current streak they are on has, I think, clouded our jusdgement on how good an outfit they really are. Let's not forget that despite beating United 4-1, Villa 5-1, Blackburn 4-0 and playing Arsenal off the park last night, they still lag a potential 6 points behind a team that everyone is slating as 'having had an average season compared to last year'.

That leads us to investigate their form over the season, and, as always with Liverpool, we find that they have been woeful against many of the poorer sides in the League. As elcule correctly pointed out to me yesterday, much of Liverpool's poor run of form coincided with the absence of Fernando Torres. Obviously the loss of your most talented player will have a significant impact on your team performance, as it did for United when Ronaldo was out at the start of the season, but surely 'one of the top 4 teams in the world' should be able to put at least 1 goal past Stoke over 180 minutes of football. Take away Torres and you remove many of Gerrard's strengths as a player who likes to play just behind the frontman, feed balls through for him or back off and shoot from long range. Indeed, take away Torres, and Liverpool are left almost impotent up front it seems.

I'd also like to stress that this 'amazing' run of form has largely been flattered by the woeful defending of many of Liverpool's recent opponents. Against United, Vidic was uncharacteristically off the pace of the game as he made more mistakes then than he had done throughout the whole of the last 7 months. I'm not sure that I have to engage with the horrific defending of Madrid, Villa, Arsenal, and Chelsea as I'm sure everyone could see that for themselves.
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If the gap is so marginal then sometimes the better team does not always get what they deserve but you can think what you want mate.
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Apr 22 2009, 02:42 PM
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Apr 22 2009, 02:32 AM
Stop being jealous and just accept that Liverpool have been better than United this season. They done the double over United and Chelsea and they did not lose to Arsenal so they have done really well against the top teams and the reason why they score late goals is because they have a fighting character about them which never gives up and they fight until the last moment.
I stand by my comments that Liverpool from August to December were no different to the Liverpool of old. They always fight until the end but they failed to break team down AS USUAL. We have won a lot of games with late winners but you don't mention how we fight to to the end.

You're just on a mission to NOT admit Utd were the best and Liverpool are the only team who you could mention without being laughed at. But I still find it funny, they were their usual ordinary self for most of the season.

Look at their results, we hear bno end to how "average" Utd have been because we have been scraping wins but Liverpool as I have PROVED, have had their fair share aswell. Then in January they BLEW a 5 point lead and we went top. As I said stop kidding yourself, Liverpool's recent form seems to be fooling a lot of people but not me. I like to judge over a longer period of time and the simple fact of the matter is, if Liverpool hadn't of beaten us 4-1, Villa 5-0 and Blackburn 4-0 nobody would be calling them anything special.

One thing I think Liverpool deserve big creedit for is that they've been in the top 3 for pretty much the whole season so they have been ding better than usual but not outstanding. Your letting your anti-Utd-ness and your love for Gerrard and Torres cloud your judgement.

Your right they were nothing special from August to December but they were still winning games and were better than any other team in the league. I have always said the competition in the league hasnt been that great this season so credit to Liverpool who have improved so much this season and have go the maximum out of their resources. Out of the big 4 they have been the best team but im afraid the best team doesn't always win the title and im afraid this could be the case again this season.
Wrong, the best team always wins the league
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Ronaldo:Wrong, the best team always wins the league

So if Real Madrid win La Liga this season do you think they deserve it over Barcelona? WRONG

Im getting out of this funny farm......
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roonaldo
Apr 22 2009, 04:37 PM
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Apr 22 2009, 04:23 PM
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Apr 22 2009, 02:42 PM
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Apr 22 2009, 02:32 AM
Stop being jealous and just accept that Liverpool have been better than United this season. They done the double over United and Chelsea and they did not lose to Arsenal so they have done really well against the top teams and the reason why they score late goals is because they have a fighting character about them which never gives up and they fight until the last moment.
I stand by my comments that Liverpool from August to December were no different to the Liverpool of old. They always fight until the end but they failed to break team down AS USUAL. We have won a lot of games with late winners but you don't mention how we fight to to the end.

You're just on a mission to NOT admit Utd were the best and Liverpool are the only team who you could mention without being laughed at. But I still find it funny, they were their usual ordinary self for most of the season.

Look at their results, we hear bno end to how "average" Utd have been because we have been scraping wins but Liverpool as I have PROVED, have had their fair share aswell. Then in January they BLEW a 5 point lead and we went top. As I said stop kidding yourself, Liverpool's recent form seems to be fooling a lot of people but not me. I like to judge over a longer period of time and the simple fact of the matter is, if Liverpool hadn't of beaten us 4-1, Villa 5-0 and Blackburn 4-0 nobody would be calling them anything special.

One thing I think Liverpool deserve big creedit for is that they've been in the top 3 for pretty much the whole season so they have been ding better than usual but not outstanding. Your letting your anti-Utd-ness and your love for Gerrard and Torres cloud your judgement.

Your right they were nothing special from August to December but they were still winning games and were better than any other team in the league. I have always said the competition in the league hasnt been that great this season so credit to Liverpool who have improved so much this season and have go the maximum out of their resources. Out of the big 4 they have been the best team but im afraid the best team doesn't always win the title and im afraid this could be the case again this season.
Wrong, the best team always wins the league
La Liga 06/07:

1. Real Madrid 77pts, +20 GD
2. Barcelona 77pts, +40GD

Not always :thumbsup:
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Apr 22 2009, 04:39 PM
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Apr 22 2009, 04:37 PM
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Apr 22 2009, 04:23 PM
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Apr 22 2009, 02:42 PM
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Apr 22 2009, 02:32 AM
Stop being jealous and just accept that Liverpool have been better than United this season. They done the double over United and Chelsea and they did not lose to Arsenal so they have done really well against the top teams and the reason why they score late goals is because they have a fighting character about them which never gives up and they fight until the last moment.
I stand by my comments that Liverpool from August to December were no different to the Liverpool of old. They always fight until the end but they failed to break team down AS USUAL. We have won a lot of games with late winners but you don't mention how we fight to to the end.

You're just on a mission to NOT admit Utd were the best and Liverpool are the only team who you could mention without being laughed at. But I still find it funny, they were their usual ordinary self for most of the season.

Look at their results, we hear bno end to how "average" Utd have been because we have been scraping wins but Liverpool as I have PROVED, have had their fair share aswell. Then in January they BLEW a 5 point lead and we went top. As I said stop kidding yourself, Liverpool's recent form seems to be fooling a lot of people but not me. I like to judge over a longer period of time and the simple fact of the matter is, if Liverpool hadn't of beaten us 4-1, Villa 5-0 and Blackburn 4-0 nobody would be calling them anything special.

One thing I think Liverpool deserve big creedit for is that they've been in the top 3 for pretty much the whole season so they have been ding better than usual but not outstanding. Your letting your anti-Utd-ness and your love for Gerrard and Torres cloud your judgement.

Your right they were nothing special from August to December but they were still winning games and were better than any other team in the league. I have always said the competition in the league hasnt been that great this season so credit to Liverpool who have improved so much this season and have go the maximum out of their resources. Out of the big 4 they have been the best team but im afraid the best team doesn't always win the title and im afraid this could be the case again this season.
Wrong, the best team always wins the league
La Liga 06/07:

1. Real Madrid 77pts, +20 GD
2. Barcelona 77pts, +40GD

Not always :thumbsup:
If it wasn't for that ridiculous head to head rule, my arguement would hold true
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I stand by my comments that Liverpool from August to December were no different to the Liverpool of old.
I have to take issue with that statement. By the end of December, Liverpool were top of the league, something which they hadn't achieved for quite a while - with many opposition fans who were used to dismissing Liverpool's title chances by the start of November suddenly silenced as Liverpool really entered the title race.

Added to this there were a number of psychological barriers that this team broke down. People levelled the claim that Liverpool were a cup team and would only perform against big sides in massive Champions League matches, basing their arguments on the fact that United had defeated them innumerable times in a row in the league. United went to Anfield to play against a Liverpool lacking both Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres, and lost 2-1. Two months later Liverpool visited fortress Stamford Bridge - a stadium where no opposition team had won in the league for eighty odd games. They won, and not only did they win, they dominated.

Of course there were throwbacks to the old days, dropping silly points at home to Stoke, Fulham and Hull, but as their league position showed there certainly was a difference between the Liverpool team of August - December 08, and the lesser side that had frustrated Anfield for the preceding decade.

Liverpool's real failure this season has been between January and March, with them failing to consolidate a lead in the title race and, on the whole, not really performing like champions in waiting - performances against Middlesborough (in the 2-0 loss) and the draw to Everton (in which they conceded a silly late goal from a set piece were fine examples.

Since then, as people have noted, their season has picked up again, and they still have a slim chance at the title. Overall however, to state that Liverpool have not greatly improved this season is grossly unfair imo, and had it not been for a bad patch in which the pressure seemed to get to Rafa and his men, we could well be looking at the team that is most likely to bring the trophy back to Anfield for nearly 20 years.
Edited by elcule, Apr 22 2009, 05:19 PM.
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