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World Football Draft - Discussion
Topic Started: Mar 15 2009, 05:15 PM (9,327 Views)
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Apr 1 2009, 09:30 PM
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Apr 1 2009, 09:24 PM
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Apr 1 2009, 09:20 PM
Seriously here, on topic, we're picking the best team possible. Nobody is going to be taking in silly little factors that are associated with a league season. ''Oh I think Ant's team loses because Ronaldo was out partying last night, Cafu was doing charity work, and Hagi had an arguement last night with his missus''. BULLSHIT.

We pick the best 11 we can possibly think of. Two teams get drawn against eachother. It is a one off, all players fit and healthy, no suspensions and all that bollocks, just football. Feel free to say, ''this team will lose because they will not work as a team, every player is self centred'', because that works as a marking criteria. If someone had 11 Berbatovs on their team you can say 'Well you have all the skill in the world but no work rate or balance, so I think that team would lose to Player 2's well balanced team''. That makes sense. The true idea behind this game is to make the best team you can think of, and let the voters judge who would win a one off, FICTIONAL game.
I agree with that, but what if the player that chose Didier Drogba mentioned his big game credentials? Is that acceptable?
Yeah, in my eyes it does. Players will get marked down for not turning up in big games, or being inconsistent, so they should be rewarded for consistency in big games.
But how is that fair on the people that picked before now, and didn't consider 'big game players' after I said we'd judge it on an overall scale...

For example, Drogba is a much bigger big game player than Shevchenko, yet Shevchenko in his prime was a better player than Drogba...if we do it your way then every game is a 'big game' and Drogba has a massive advantage, and the person that picked him is incredibly lucky.

That's why teams should be judged on an individual basis. There's no need to picture an entire season, but teams should be judged generally with regards to how great a team they've assembled, instead of picturing a certain 11 players V 11 players, or we'll start hearing shit like 'Cafu would have Pires in his pocket'....
Cafu would have done tho :whistle:
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But this isn't a big game, nor is it a small game. IT'S MADE UP!!!

P.s. Cafu will have Pires in his pocket, and that's surely the point of this game! If you picked the 4 greatest defenders of all time in your team, you should be able to look at your side and say ''In a game, teams would find it incredibly hard to score against this team''. That's why we're here picking a team, and not just 11 individuals, as you should know looking on the amount of thought gone into your side.

On the flip side, if a player picked the greatest 3 strikers ever in their side, they should be able to say ''These strikers would be able to score against any defence ever created'', and then you'd have a real battle on your hands as to who you'd vote for. Then you'd look at intricacies, the finer points. If team A had a poor RB and Team B had the best ever LW you'd say ''Team A will be exposed here and I can see them getting goals down the left wing, team B wins it for me''. That's why we're building a side, writing a paragraph about how they'd work, and then putting it down to the vote.
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Wow that's the longest P.S. of all time!

Roonaldo :cheers: Yessss, great minds. Cafu will eat up most LW's.
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Apr 1 2009, 09:37 PM
But this isn't a big game, nor is it a small game. IT'S MADE UP!!!

P.s. Cafu will have Pires in his pocket, and that's surely the point of this game! If you picked the 4 greatest defenders of all time in your team, you should be able to look at your side and say ''In a game, teams would find it incredibly hard to score against this team''. That's why we're here picking a team, and not just 11 individuals, as you should know looking on the amount of thought gone into your side.

On the flip side, if a player picked the greatest 3 strikers ever in their side, they should be able to say ''These strikers would be able to score against any defence ever created'', and then you'd have a real battle on your hands as to who you'd vote for. Then you'd look at intricacies, the finer points. If team A had a poor RB and Team B had the best ever LW you'd say ''Team A will be exposed here and I can see them getting goals down the left wing, team B wins it for me''. That's why we're building a side, writing a paragraph about how they'd work, and then putting it down to the vote.
If everybody judges it along these guidlines i don't think we will go far wrong
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Just forget about drawing the against eachother an have people vote on whos is the best team overrall
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AntMcfc
Apr 1 2009, 09:37 PM
But this isn't a big game, nor is it a small game. IT'S MADE UP!!!

P.s. Cafu will have Pires in his pocket, and that's surely the point of this game! If you picked the 4 greatest defenders of all time in your team, you should be able to look at your side and say ''In a game, teams would find it incredibly hard to score against this team''. That's why we're here picking a team, and not just 11 individuals, as you should know looking on the amount of thought gone into your side.

On the flip side, if a player picked the greatest 3 strikers ever in their side, they should be able to say ''These strikers would be able to score against any defence ever created'', and then you'd have a real battle on your hands as to who you'd vote for. Then you'd look at intricacies, the finer points. If team A had a poor RB and Team B had the best ever LW you'd say ''Team A will be exposed here and I can see them getting goals down the left wing, team B wins it for me''. That's why we're building a side, writing a paragraph about how they'd work, and then putting it down to the vote.
Yes, everyone will be writing a paragraph minimum to try and convince everyone their team is great, and will work, correct, but are you for the idea of for instance, you and I get drawn against each other, and we each write a few paragraphs explaining how our sides will line-up, how they will react in certain situations, and how we will exploit each other's weaknesses?

It becomes VERY complicated if we do that and it becomes almost a managerial game whereby we are comparing 4-4-2 formations with 4-4-3 etc, which players press, which players make forward runs...etc.

It all becomes very complicated like that and some people would be uncomfortable arguing their point. We should keep this as simplistic as possible, where we write one piece describing our team and what makes them great as a side.

For example, think of Chelsea from 04-06. I'm sure someone could write an article on how good they were and why they were so effective, but they would be talking generally, because between that period they won 80 odd football matches, against many different sides.

That's what we should consider for the teams we're making. Judge them with regards to how great a team you think they'd be over a period of 9 months...you don't have to be pedantic and think, hmmm...they would reach the semis in Europe, win the imaginary league by 6 pts etc....no need to get technical, just picture a side and consider how great they'd be, and then when teams are drawn against each other, you vote for the team you think would achieve more...

Your idea has too many flaws and stumbling blocks. The big game player debate would be totally unfair on those that have picked their side on an overall scale, like I said we would be doing, and we'd get people saying 'Costacurta would have Drogba in his pocket' etc...that wouldn't lead to anything useful as it's pure speculation.

I'm totally for the idea of judging each team on an individual basis.
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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Apr 1 2009, 09:48 PM
Just forget about drawing the against eachother an have people vote on whos is the best team overrall
The thing I don't like about that is people see attackers as more of a reason to vote for a better team. When you think of great teams over the years all you hear about is free flowing, total footballing sides who swept the world with beautiful football and goalscoring. Good defensive sides wouldn't be appreciated.

And secondly, if team A has the greatest ever LW and Team B had a poor RB, it will be because team A made it their priority to get a great LW, so he risked losing other players by going for this LW first. Team B on the other hand saw it important to go for players in other positions, and then left the RB til last. This was his fault for leaving RB until last, which in turn made his team vulnerable to conceding. I'll emphasise again, that we're building a team, and picking the players we are for a reason, that reason being so we can beat any one of 15 picks that we could potentially get drawn against.
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Just forget about drawing the against eachother an have people vote on whos is the best team overrall
I can see exactly why you're saying that, but teams will be drawn against each other like the last 16 of the CL. It'd be a bit too muddled putting every team, and every speech abut each team in the same thread, and it'd be easier doing two at a time, and whittling it down to a final. This would also spark more debate and discussion too.
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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How much longer is there to go with this until all the picks are finished?
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i agree with everything, however unlike the last 16 of the CL, once teams lose can we still have the losing teams face each other or have some sort of round robin. I will just feel like i wasted alot of time if we are going to be one and done with this lol. I would like to see different teams face each other.


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You COULD have a league table an every team play eachother? Be kinda cool
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Maybe we should go a Euro 2008 style tournament then, 4 teams in 4 groups, top 2 go through to the last 8 knockout phase?
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Cafu have Pires in his pocket :hysterics: :hysterics: :hysterics:
I am soft.
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Kem
Apr 1 2009, 09:57 PM
i agree with everything, however unlike the last 16 of the CL, once teams lose can we still have the losing teams face each other or have some sort of round robin. I will just feel like i wasted alot of time if we are going to be one and done with this lol. I would like to see different teams face each other.
Who's everything? :whistle:

Yes Kem, good idea. I will make sure that happens :thumbsup:
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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Yes, could do Ant...but do you agree that judging on an individual basis is best?

And I'll reiterate, think about the Juventus side of the 90s, and the Madrid Galacticos...how would you compare their greatness?

You would not pictue them playing each other would you?
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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Greatest ownage machine: Scholes. Absolute animal when he was a regular poster, I always knew I was in the right when he was backing me up, and I couldn't wait to read a topic that he was posting in because I knew he'd be tearing someone apart
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