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Topic Started: Mar 13 2009, 12:26 PM (413 Views)
Scholes
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Mar 13 2009, 04:56 PM
to be amongst europes "elite" you should be the winner of your league.

for me arsenal have no right to be there cos we are not the best team in our own league.

you can call it the champions league, when 3 out of englands 4 entries are not champions... hell liverpool aint been league champions for nearly 2 decades.

i believe that if the positions for the champions league were limited, teams would have to improve to get there, thus improving the champions league.

but then thats my view on it
That would not improve the CL, or at least if it did eventually it would take many many years. Plus, the Champions League is just a name, don't take it literally. If we change it then the short-term will be bleak as there will only be around 4-5 top notch sides (Barca, United, Lyon (debatable nowadays), Munich (ditto) and Inter) competing...opposed to around 10...furthermore, Liverpool and Chelsea will play far less games than United in a season and hence increasing their chances in the league, another drawback. There's a lot to think about but there has to be a more viable method of making football more competitive throughout Europe, if that's what you want to achieve?
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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I know but someone else made the point of the early stages of the CL being poor.
Edited by Cull58, Mar 13 2009, 05:19 PM.
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players who have performed well at world cups are generally looked upon as bigger and better than those that havent, but no all players had the benefit of being born in brazil or argentina etc, someone like george best didnt have the benefit of playing in a world cup due to him being irish, this at a time when they always failed to qualify for the world cup, nowadays to qualify is easiler due to more places being avaliable, ive seen some awful players at world cups, along with the great ones, i believe its what they have left behind after their career is over, a legacy, which determine how good a player has been
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diego
Mar 13 2009, 05:36 PM
players who have performed well at world cups are generally looked upon as bigger and better than those that havent, but no all players had the benefit of being born in brazil or argentina etc, someone like george best didnt have the benefit of playing in a world cup due to him being irish, this at a time when they always failed to qualify for the world cup, nowadays to qualify is easiler due to more places being avaliable, ive seen some awful players at world cups, along with the great ones, i believe its what they have left behind after their career is over, a legacy, which determine how good a player has been
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It helps if you perform at international level but it is not the end all be all situation. Higuain is a great player and yet he has never even played for Argentina but I dont rate him any less just because of it.
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diego
Mar 13 2009, 05:36 PM
players who have performed well at world cups are generally looked upon as bigger and better than those that havent, but no all players had the benefit of being born in brazil or argentina etc, someone like george best didnt have the benefit of playing in a world cup due to him being irish, this at a time when they always failed to qualify for the world cup, nowadays to qualify is easiler due to more places being avaliable, ive seen some awful players at world cups, along with the great ones, i believe its what they have left behind after their career is over, a legacy, which determine how good a player has been
good post

but international performances on the big stages separate the legends from the best. For example, if George Best had steered Brazil to two World Cup titles like Pele, and he had the talent to, then he no doubt be hailed as the World's greatest player. Same goes for Zizou, he's arguably the World's greatest ever player because of his performances in the 98 and 06 World Cup. His performances at Juve and Real Madrid werent enough to put him in the same bracket as Maradona & Pele for some. so International performances on the big stages definitely separate the creme de le creme from the Whipped Cream Anchor lot :)
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i agree with zizou, taking george best as an example he is a great footballer and will be remebered as a special talent but because his international record has been non-existant (not his fault) he will never be seen as the greatest player of all time

its unfair but the world cup is the world biggest stage and if you perform it will greatly improve public opinion
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Mar 13 2009, 05:51 PM
i agree with zizou, taking george best as an example he is a great footballer and will be remebered as a special talent but because his international record has been non-existant (not his fault) he will never be seen as the greatest player of all time

its unfair but the world cup is the world biggest stage and if you perform it will greatly improve public opinion
:greatpost: It's very unfair. Stupid (and semi-racist) that you can only be considered a great of the game if you come from a country that produces a lot of good players.
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Mar 13 2009, 05:57 PM
redDevilMoe
Mar 13 2009, 05:51 PM
i agree with zizou, taking george best as an example he is a great footballer and will be remebered as a special talent but because his international record has been non-existant (not his fault) he will never be seen as the greatest player of all time

its unfair but the world cup is the world biggest stage and if you perform it will greatly improve public opinion
:greatpost: It's very unfair. Stupid (and semi-racist) that you can only be considered a great of the game if you come from a country that produces a lot of good players.
true

its always "Best, wasnt he from Northern Ireland? what did he achieve for them?"

its really unlucky but just one of those things
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Its not about performing internationally per se, its more about performing well on the biggest stage that your able to; for Pele that was the world cup for Best it was the European Cup. Thats why Henry for instance will never be a great player imo.
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