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Sustainable success?
Topic Started: Mar 12 2009, 11:34 AM (117 Views)
Scholes
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We've seen the likes of Fulham, West Ham and Wigan all perform well this season, but is this just short-term progress? Everton are continuing their spell in and around the top 6, whilst Spurs are up and down every season.

Which clubs do you believe have a foundation on which they can build upon? And which clubs that may be achieving highly now, might not find it so easy to maintain it over the coming years?

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United -
Liverpool -
Arsenal -
Chelsea -
City -
Villa -
Everton -
Wigan -
Fulham -
West Ham -
Newcastle -
Sunderland -
Boro -
Blackburn -
Bolton -

Feel free to use that list.

Discuss :)
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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Our youth academy and fortunes will ensure we're one of the most sustainable clubs in the business for a long, long time. Arsenal can be but they're heavily reliant on the CL income which may not always be there, so I'm, not too sure about them. Teams with good youth systems will prosper.
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AntMcfc
Mar 12 2009, 11:56 AM
Arsenal can be but they're heavily reliant on the CL income which may not always be there, so I'm, not too sure about them.
When was the last time we weren't in the CL? We will be in next season and long into the future, don't you worry about that.
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United - They'll be in there current position for quite a few more years, maybe things will go bad a 'bit when Fergie, but they'll probably still be dominant in this country for quite a few more years
Liverpool - Should still be a top 4 side in the near future, they seem to be moving foward every year but i can't see them dominating anytime soon like they did in the 70's & 80's
Arsenal - It seems like the future will either be incredibly dark or incredibly bright at Arsenal, i think we're currently the third biggest footballing franchise in the world (Behind Man U & Real), so we should be rolling in it once the mortgage is paid off for the stadium. Add that to our youth policy, then we should be alright. Need to keep Wenger though
Chelsea - I think these guys are the most likely side out of the top 4 to take a mighty fall in the next 5-10 years. They've got a no youngster's coming through, an aging side and Roman is spending less every year.
City - When you literally don't have a limit to the ammount of money, you can't help but feel they'll be a huge force in Europe in the next few years. Whether it's next year or in 5 years, they'll be up there, it's just a matter of time. Also got some brilliant youngsters coming through
Villa - Like so many others, they have a lot of money, but what they have that a lot opf clubs don't have is a manager who know's how to spend it. I don't think they'll break the top 4, but as long as MON is there, they'll surely be a top 7/8 club
Everton - See Villa
Wigan - You wouldn't expect them to be up there for a long time, but they have a manager that has an unbelieveable eye for a bargain and that should be enough to keep them in the Premiership for the next couple of years. Certainly won't be a top half side forever

CBA to do the rest
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Scholes
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United - The future's orange.
Liverpool - Huge club...they will be up there for many years and will continue to prove their European credentials.
Chelsea - Dependent on Roman Abramovic but there is a winning mentalty instilled into the club.
Arsenal - Difficult one...Wenger needs to part from his ways if they are to grow, if not, they are still sustainable in the sense they will be right up there year in year out, to the point where perhaps Gooners actually settle for 4th each year...that's the worst that could happen though.
Wigan - Difficult one...they have lost a few key players recently but if Bruce stays there I feel he could continue progressing.
Bolton - They will get relegated sometime in the next 10 years...can't see them maintaining their 'established' status.
Fulham - Small club, but an established PL outfit...not big enough to progress but will only face a few relegation scraps in the next decade.
Villa - Big club, a new era perhaps....hope so anyway.
Newcastle - They've been a laughing stock for the last 6 years...ever since Chelsea became a force they've dropped well out of the top 4 and their best season since was under Glenn Reoder...they need to sort themselves out but ultimately they're too good to go down.
City - Good youth acadamy to fall back on should things go tits up. I doubt it'll happen though, and as KOL says, when you have funds it is difficult to fail. So of course they are in a position where progression seems like the only route.
Everton - Big club, pretty stable but need to continue progressing because if they freeze, they are then liable to get worse.
Spurs - Financially secure, quality in the squad....they're fine.
Boro - Need funding of they're in trouble.
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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Spurs are a relegation battling side who throws millions away on rubbish. They are far from fine.
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They are far too good to go down and have been for years. It's no surprise they've played every PL season...relegation battlers...deary me.
Scholes
 

Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

AntMcfc
 
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Out of the clubs you mentioned, the top 4 should be safe for a few more years to come, at least until the CL gets an overdue overhaul and stops taking 4 teams from England.

Another thing which will affect clubs is whether the 6+5 plan is put into effect. Teams like Arsenal, Liverpool etc. will struggle. United and Villa look fine for me.

When SAF steps down, I can see United slip down for a couple of seasons, at least till stability is restored. They are perhaps the most dependant on the manager, and could be in some trouble.

Overall, the top 5/6 should have no problems..
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United - Will always be in the top 2 and having the best players
Liverpool - Have progressed alot in last 5 years and believe they are now the 3rd best team in the country
Arsenal - This team could crumble if they fail to get a top 4 place this season
Chelsea -Always going to be in the top2/3
City - Could be a huge powerhouse in the future
Villa - Villa are building a young talented english team who will try and grow even further
Everton - They will always be top 6
Wigan - Gone as far as they can
Fulham - Top 7 at most
West Ham - They have the history and the fanbase to be a success
Newcastle - They will always be huge underachievers
Sunderland - Top 8 one day
Boro - Top 10 is a good achievment
Blackburn - Mark Hughes took them as far as they could possibly go
Bolton - Top 10 at best
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For me Utd are the best set up for sustainable success, not a biased view but we are a very well run club and already have the benefit of having a manager 20+ years into the job!

Arsenal are well set up aswell because Wenger sticks to his philosophy, if they ever start winning trophies again they could sustain that success.

Outside of these two obvious choices Everton are the best run club in the PL and although CL is maybe out of the question, I think they're the most likely team to qualify for the Europa League for 2010/11.
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Mar 15 2009, 12:37 AM
For me Utd are the best set up for sustainable success, not a biased view but we are a very well run club and already have the benefit of having a manager 20+ years into the job!

Arsenal are well set up aswell because Wenger sticks to his philosophy, if they ever start winning trophies again they could sustain that success.

Outside of these two obvious choices Everton are the best run club in the PL and although CL is maybe out of the question, I think they're the most likely team to qualify for the Europa League for 2010/11.
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