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Uniteds Treble vs Arsenals Invincibles
Topic Started: Feb 20 2015, 02:07 PM (4,768 Views)
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Not many teams have come close to winning a treble. And I said Cl doesnt matter because Arsenal went out early, chelsea reached the semis during their 40 game league run.
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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How far did they have to travel? How many CL games did that include? That tells us when it finishes in the competition not when it starts for them and how many games they played. It doesn't matter if not many teams have come close they can still be capable of it. Real Madrid came close last season and there's a good chance Barca will come close this season. Barca came close 3 seasons running under Pep. It's definitely the easier of the two but neither are easy. Also going 40 games unbeaten doesn't mean they came close to an unbeaten season. Also with it being across two seasons due to re-scheduled games you don't necessarily play every team twice and you might have more home games than away games so there are too many variables which means it doesn't prove they are capable of an unbeaten season.
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Never known anyone clutch at straws so much. The home/away game point was laughable. The CL drivel irrelevant seeing as Arsenal went out early.
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Seriously, Frank Lampard is an absolute legend of the game. He needs to be recognised in some way eg. Frank Lampard OBE, Sir Frank Lampard or some kind of lifetime achievement award.

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It's not irrelevant at all and I'm not clutching at straws, embarrasing comment in the hope others will buy it and of course being home or away isn't irrelevant. You can say otherwise all you want but it won't make you any less incorrect. I've given genuine reasons as to why I don't think it means they'd go unbeaten and you've offered nothing as to why they aren't right. On the flip side it could show they had more away games and played to top sides more but unless you have every but of information you can't say it proves anything.
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Feb 21 2015, 01:38 PM
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Feb 21 2015, 03:32 AM
Can you show me the full season with a 0 in their defeats column please? It's not as simple as saying you've not been unbeaten in a certain number of games so you've had an unbeaten season. They talk about a natural slip in performances when the leagues been one and how that's one of the most impressive things about our unbeaten record that we didn't let that happen. What other side has won the league unbeaten and given themselves a chance to go the entire season unbeaten? I can't remember it being a Bayern or Chelsea sides? It's not as simple as saying well these two sides went a certain amount of games unbeaten so an unbeaten season has been accomplished. It does not work that way.
Any team that wraps the league up and is still unbeaten will still be as motivated as ever to go the whole season unbeaten. It's a massive motivation and no team will tail off or lose focus at that point. Opposition sides might fancy ending their streak but it's safe to assume Man United were keen to end Chelsea's 40 game run, whether it overlapped from the previous season or not.

The fact these sides have gone on long unbeaten runs without doing it over the course of a whole season, doesn't take away from the fact that they've shown the capability to achieve that feat.
Poor point. A 3 month break to regain fitness, reset the mental clock and galvanize the troops. All a big advantage. None of these opportunities are afforded over the course of a whole season which is why its rarely done.
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You lose fitness over a 3 month break, not gain it. You've got pre-season to get upto speed and if that's not done effectively, you're likely to get off to a poor start.
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lol, so a pre season break is a detriment? Close this thread ffs.

Both are great achievements but the under playing of the Incinvibles season is criminal, even by LF standards
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I think he meant the 3 month break is detrimental to fitness.
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Yeh, Alfie having an absolute shocker.
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You could be running on empty by the end of a seaaon and need the break so it's not silly to argue its a benefit to fitness
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Feb 23 2015, 01:57 PM
You could be running on empty by the end of a seaaon and need the break so it's not silly to argue its a benefit to fitness
Fatigue effects fitness, yes, but usually you'd only need a couple of weeks to relinquish that. There's a reason why the first thing any sports team at any level will work on during preseason is fitness.

Relating it to your argument, you could pretty much debate any factor for either side if you tried hard enough.
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I've said every point I've made can be used against me but until you have all the information then you can't just post a number of games and say it's the same. You could add that the summer transfers window is when the big transfers happen so you have a chance to add significantly to your squad during the run of games.
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You could be running on empty by the end of a seaaon and need the break so it's not silly to argue its a benefit to fitness
A 1 week break from the gym does my body wonders. Really great to get a proper rest. If I were to stop working out for 3 months?! Unimaginable.
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Feb 23 2015, 02:10 PM
I've said every point I've made can be used against me but until you have all the information then you can't just post a number of games and say it's the same. You could add that the summer transfers window is when the big transfers happen so you have a chance to add significantly to your squad during the run of games.
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Feb 23 2015, 02:10 PM
I've said every point I've made can be used against me but until you have all the information then you can't just post a number of games and say it's the same. You could add that the summer transfers window is when the big transfers happen so you have a chance to add significantly to your squad during the run of games.
I know mate, I'm not disputing that, it was the reason I replied to Alfie. My response was basically because in that break you lose fitness, which is fact, so if your preseason isn't spot on then you're at a disadvantage, not a "big advantage." To take from that post that I thought preseason is detrimental is completely moronic.
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