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Uniteds Treble vs Arsenals Invincibles
Topic Started: Feb 20 2015, 02:07 PM (4,770 Views)
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Feb 20 2015, 10:05 PM
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Feb 20 2015, 09:59 PM
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Feb 20 2015, 09:22 PM
It really is painful seeing you comment on Arsenal. It's like you lose any ability to think things through properly. The treble and that moment was obviously massive but what a ridiculous statement.
How was it ridiculous? Claiming that winning a league unbeaten is better than winning the league and the FA Cup AND the Champions League is ridiculous.

Ask yourselves if it wasnt Arsenal that went unbeaten would you still think its the better achievement. We both know you wouldnt.
It's ridiculous to think that one season is better than our whole history, it's absolutely pathetic. The difficulty of the achievement has to be taken into acount and the fact what we have done hasn't been done since by a top club in a competitive league says it all. Barcelona and Bayern have won trebles but weren't capable of going an entire league season unbeaten. The difficulty behind going a whole season unbeaten is never given enough respect.

Do we? You're wrong so it's clear we don't.
Your achievement stands alone because the others never did it in a proper league. But ours is tarnished because it was done by teams in other leagues? Also no other team has won the PL and CL (which we did in 2008) let alone the treble in England.

I know gooners find it hard to be objective but give it a try.
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Feb 20 2015, 10:15 PM
Winning 3 trophies is better than winning 1 obviously but achieving something more difficult is better than achieving something a few others have done in recent years. I'm torn because both sides make sense. I'm finding myself saying the unbeaten season is better because of an utter lack of respect for the difficulty of going unbeaten. So we can forget that and focus on what I am sure of and that is that the claim of that season over everything of ours is pathetic.
But you just admited bias, overrating going unbeaten because others underrate it.

Btw dont get hung up on the history comment ffs, you know it was bait.
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Is that what I've said? Ive said there are top sides one of which is the greatest of all time and they managed a treble but never managed an unbeaten season. I'm purely talking about the difficulty of the achievment and an unbeaten season is clearly more difficult.

That's a bit different to how you made it out isn't it?

I know it's hard for you not be an anti Arsenal cunt and make a post regarding them worthwhile but please don't bother giving it a try because I know your'e incapable and will instead follow with further bullshit.

I don't get how you're so level headed but when it comes to Arsenal become an absolute disease.
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Feb 20 2015, 10:21 PM
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Feb 20 2015, 10:15 PM
Winning 3 trophies is better than winning 1 obviously but achieving something more difficult is better than achieving something a few others have done in recent years. I'm torn because both sides make sense. I'm finding myself saying the unbeaten season is better because of an utter lack of respect for the difficulty of going unbeaten. So we can forget that and focus on what I am sure of and that is that the claim of that season over everything of ours is pathetic.
But you just admited bias, overrating going unbeaten because others underrate it.

Btw dont get hung up on the history comment ffs, you know it was bait.
I've said I can see both sides of the arguments and why can be seen as "better". I only argue going unbeaten is when people play down how difficult it is. That doesn't mean I think the treble is better though.
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Feb 20 2015, 10:28 PM
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Winning 3 trophies is better than winning 1 obviously but achieving something more difficult is better than achieving something a few others have done in recent years. I'm torn because both sides make sense. I'm finding myself saying the unbeaten season is better because of an utter lack of respect for the difficulty of going unbeaten. So we can forget that and focus on what I am sure of and that is that the claim of that season over everything of ours is pathetic.
But you just admited bias, overrating going unbeaten because others underrate it.

Btw dont get hung up on the history comment ffs, you know it was bait.
I've said I can see both sides of the arguments and why can be seen as "better". I only argue going unbeaten is when people play down how difficult it is. That doesn't mean I think the treble is better though.
But I havent played it down, I never said it was easy or shouldnt be recognised as a truly great season but it doesnt compare to winning 3 big trophies. You could go a whole season unbeaten and still be in a relegation battle, if you didnt win the league it wouldnt be considered as highly. And thats my point winning trophies is the aim of the sport and the true mark of a succesful team. Going unbeaten is a great bonus, but if I were you Id focus on the amazing football you played. Arguably the best PL winning side. Being unbeaten is a significant part but not the biggest reason for that.

Regardless of other peoples opinions, do you think it was better than the Treble?
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It's better to win 3 trophies than 1 so I'd pick a treble but the better achievement is an unbeaten season because of the difficulty.
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Is that what I've said? Ive said there are top sides one of which is the greatest of all time and they managed a treble but never managed an unbeaten season. I'm purely talking about the difficulty of the achievment and an unbeaten season is clearly more difficult.

That's a bit different to how you made it out isn't it?

I know it's hard for you not be an anti Arsenal cunt and make a post regarding them worthwhile but please don't bother giving it a try because I know your'e incapable and will instead follow with further bullshit.

I don't get how you're so level headed but when it comes to Arsenal become an absolute disease.
You, and others, have said im anti arsenal and bias when I rarely am when judging the team/players. I hate the fans, and ive been honest about wanting to see them fail but putting aside some obvious jabs I always try to be objective. Just because I laugh at your expense doesnt mean my opinions dont have merit.
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Feb 20 2015, 10:51 PM
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Feb 20 2015, 10:26 PM
Is that what I've said? Ive said there are top sides one of which is the greatest of all time and they managed a treble but never managed an unbeaten season. I'm purely talking about the difficulty of the achievment and an unbeaten season is clearly more difficult.

That's a bit different to how you made it out isn't it?

I know it's hard for you not be an anti Arsenal cunt and make a post regarding them worthwhile but please don't bother giving it a try because I know your'e incapable and will instead follow with further bullshit.

I don't get how you're so level headed but when it comes to Arsenal become an absolute disease.
You, and others, have said im anti arsenal and bias when I rarely am when judging the team/players. I hate the fans, and ive been honest about wanting to see them fail but putting aside some obvious jabs I always try to be objective. Just because I laugh at your expense doesnt mean my opinions dont have merit.
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The Gorm has to be the most disgusting poster I've come across.

"anti Arsenal cunt"..."don't bother trying you're incapable"..."further bullshit"..."become an absolute disease"

When (a) it's Moe he's chatting to and (b) Moe hasn't even warranted insults.
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Moe even admitted he sent out the bait. He can't have any complaints if I respond like that when it's a constant theme with him and Arsenal. Take the needless Wumming elsewhere. So I believe it was warranted. The bottom line from the post at the of this page was clearly aiming for the type of response I gave him.

Now will you stop following me around the forum. Lol imagine actually being so self centred you believed someone was following you around a forum. Whatever makes you feel important though ZZ.
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Don't know why some wankers start pulling up the likes of Inter and Bayern and Porto when trying to cheapen our treble.

Inter won Coppa Italia and Serie A when they were poverty trophies, no competition whatsoever. Pure domination.

Bayern? Bundesliga and DFB are fuckin' formalities for them, absolute poverty competition.

Porto? Again lol, their domestic competition is poverty ffs and their CL triumph wasn't even that great ffs, a shit United side/Deportivo/Lyon/Monaco? Havin' a fackin' laugh, we had to trawl through the likes of Barca/Inter/Bayern/Juventus.
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It really is a travesty Arsenal's failings on the continental stage. Their Double winning '98 side couldn't even get out of the groups in '99 ffs and they were bandied in with Lens and Panathiniakos ffs.
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Bundesliga a formality? Dortmund had won the two previous to their treble winning season.
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Feb 20 2015, 10:15 PM
Winning 3 trophies is better than winning 1 obviously but achieving something more difficult is better than achieving something a few others have done in recent years.
No English team has come close to winning the Treble in our lifetimes (though United 06-09 were fucking great efforts). Chelsea went 40 games unbeaten under Mourinho which is more than a season's worth, so there.
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When looking to get a perspective on things you usually don't limit yourself which is exactly what you're doing by putting a cap on just use of the English league. I hope you don't think you've proved anything with that because look at the wider picture and which achievement is reached more often and it's clear an unbeaten season is more difficult.
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