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Wenger on Invincibles
Topic Started: Oct 17 2014, 03:47 PM (5,997 Views)
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DaG
Oct 17 2014, 05:07 PM
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Oct 17 2014, 04:31 PM
Such a shame he can't replicate that team..
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What's so funny DaG?
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Oct 17 2014, 08:14 PM
DaG
Oct 17 2014, 05:07 PM
RaidersGunz
Oct 17 2014, 04:31 PM
Such a shame he can't replicate that team..
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What's so funny DaG?
Scroll up, mate.
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Oct 17 2014, 06:04 PM
Leave it out, son. That team did fuck all on the continent and couldn't even win the FA Cup.

3 teams, FOR SURE, better than them were Chelsea '04-'06, United '99 and United '06-'09.
We didn't win the FA Cup that season, but the majority of that team still won the FA Cup multiple times.
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Oct 17 2014, 05:20 PM
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Oct 17 2014, 05:19 PM
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Oct 17 2014, 05:16 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
At least I don't live in denial.
It's ok if you can swim.
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(I think I got that)
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Oct 17 2014, 05:55 PM
I'm laughing because nobody is ever going to create a PL team as good as that again. Very idiotic to say 'it's a shame' Wenger hasn't done it again.
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From that United side only VDS and Ronaldo would get into the Invincibles. Maybe one of the centre halves. Both Vidic/Rio better than Kolo, but Kolo fit the tactics like a glove and was the fastest CB in Europe.
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Oct 17 2014, 06:19 PM
Quite enjoyed watching that Arsenal team (Pretty much) losing 3-2 at home to Leeds on Football Gold earlier
Ahh think I remember that game, quality, Viduka and Kewell were on form.
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Oct 17 2014, 08:45 PM
From that United side only VDS and Ronaldo would get into the Invincibles. Maybe one of the centre halves. Both Vidic/Rio better than Kolo, but Kolo fit the tactics like a glove and was the fastest CB in Europe.
Still doesn't change the fact they underperformed outside of the PL
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Nobody has ever disputed that.
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Oct 17 2014, 08:56 PM
Nobody has ever disputed that.
That United team achieved much more than the invisibles, that is the only point.
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Whatever. All I know is that that United team weren't as good as the Invincibles. Not even close.
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Oct 17 2014, 08:45 PM
From that United side only VDS and Ronaldo would get into the Invincibles. Maybe one of the centre halves. Both Vidic/Rio better than Kolo, but Kolo fit the tactics like a glove and was the fastest CB in Europe.
I've seen people banned for less ffs.
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DaG
Oct 17 2014, 08:45 PM
From that United side only VDS and Ronaldo would get into the Invincibles. Maybe one of the centre halves. Both Vidic/Rio better than Kolo, but Kolo fit the tactics like a glove and was the fastest CB in Europe.
What kind of point is that you gimp? Why is it Rio/Vidic trying to get into Arsenal's side and not Kolo/Campbell trying to get into United's?

FUCKING GOONER SYNDROME.


Unreal joke by Alfie btw, been top class lately.
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The Invincibles proved to be the worst thing to happen to Arsenal... they set out to draw games and allowed Jose Mourinho to turn Arsene Wenger into a specialist in failure

By Adrian Durham

Anyone else fed up with the fawning over the Arsenal Invincibles 10 years on? Boring.

Here’s what that team achieved – failure in Europe when the Champions League was there for the taking, and at the same time they directly helped Jose Mourinho become greater than Arsene Wenger. Funny how the Wenger lovers conveniently ignore all this.

The myth of the Arsenal Invincibles grows beyond all credible recognition as every year passes without another title or any Champions League success for the Gunnera.

There has been so little to shout about since that unbeaten season in 2004 that Arsenal fans and admirers insist on relentlessly eulogising about the awesome power and glory of the Invincibles. One Gooner is living in the past so much they have even written a book about them.

I’ve already ripped the myth of the Invincibles to shreds elsewhere. In brief, here’s why.

When they were named the best ever Premier League team, they were overrated: they collected 90 points – five fewer than Chelsea the following season; they scored 20 goals fewer than Manchester City in 2011-12.

It was a good side that won the title in 2003-04, but they certainly weren’t the best Premier League team ever, and they probably weren’t the best Arsenal side to win the title.

The Premiership title was the only trophy they won that season – other Arsenal teams did doubles, Manchester United did the Treble in 1999. How could the 2003-04 team be the best? It doesn’t add up.

They ended the season playing for draws just to preserve the unbeaten record – the best teams go out to win matches, and win them in style.

But when placed into its historical context, that Invincible season has proved to be the worst thing that ever happened to Arsenal Football Club.

Let’s take a look at what happened: by the end of February, the possibility of going the season unbeaten in the Premier League was becoming a probability. Arsenal won at Chelsea on February 21 and that was a huge hurdle for the Gunners to overcome.

Many thought that if Arsenal could avoid defeat at home to Manchester United on March 28 that would be their last big test. They drew the game 1-1.

Including those two matches, Arsenal played five League matches in that period, an FA Cup tie at Portsmouth, two Champions League games with Celta Vigo, and then the quarter final first leg away to Chelsea. That’s a total of nine games in five weeks.

Wenger kept the same team for all nine games apart from alternating Jose Antonio Reyes and Dennis Bergkamp, and using Gael Clichy twice at left back instead of Ashley Cole.

After that draw against United, Arsenal faced four games in nine days over the Easter period. United knocked the Gunners out of the FA Cup at Villa Park. A few days later Chelsea turned up at Highbury and Wayne Bridge’s late goal ended the Gunners' Champions League challenge.

A Thierry Henry masterclass resurrected Arsenal on Good Friday after they trailed to Liverpool at half time. And then on Easter Sunday it finished goalless at Newcastle.

Thirteen games in just over six weeks called for some astute squad management. But with one or two exceptions the same players were used over and over again, and so their European campaign suffered, and they didn’t have enough in the tank to beat Chelsea.

I suspect that Wenger became obsessed with his place in history, and completing the league season unbeaten, rather than focusing on how to win both the title and the Champions League.

What a mistake!

A huge error because had Arsenal beaten Chelsea they would have had to face Monaco and then Porto to secure their first ever European Cup success.

That would have guaranteed Arsenal’s place in history as the first London club to ever win Europe’s top prize.

It gets worse.

Wenger’s obsession with the unbeaten Premier League season cost them in Europe, and opened the door for Mourinho to win the Champions League with Porto.

Off the back of that he got the job at Chelsea, and became Wenger’s unbeatable nemesis over the last 10 years, when only token FA Cup glory has papered over the dirty great seismic cracks.

Arsenal ended up winning the title by 11 points that year. If Wenger had rested top players at the right time in the run-in that season, they may have lost a couple of games in the league, but they had room to spare.

Instead the Frenchman chose to rinse those players, stay unbeaten, and it cost them the even bigger prize of Champions League success.

The Invincibles – draws with Birmingham, Portsmouth and Spurs. Is that glory?

The Invincibles should have won the title and the Champions League. Instead, the mismanagement of Arsenal allowed Mourinho to turn Wenger from a man who nearly won something in Europe, to a specialist in failure.
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